People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
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@futurebird @doctormo
People really do connect job worth and difficulty to social class, huh? Manual labor must be "easy" because it's physical. I've worked jobs where you can get into a kind of meditative state because it's repetitive but even those require a lot of thought and understanding about the system you're working in. It's not very obvious but it's there. Garbage collection isn't even one of those, though, I'd expect. Being aware of your surroundings constantly is important.@futurebird @doctormo
Getting the pastries out on time and in good shape or organizing the day's baking at a coffee shop took more mental energy than any office job I've had. -
People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird Always thought that was a direct relation to everyone being temporarily embarrassed millionaires and siding with their betters because they live the life they wish they had. You can forgive a lot with status and rich people have a lot of status, mainly unearned.
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@futurebird of you replaced the two guys with one robot (pay 4 times their combined salary to Elon Musk*) it would suddenly be ok because we've been trained to consider that paying people is waste unless they're billionaires.
*Lol, like his robots are ever going to be skilled enough
@ehproque @futurebird Proud of my younger brother who works in sanitation (in the old country).
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Our bins don't really have any designated place to go. They are put on the street or sidewalk which is horrible. The city is trying to change this by making some parking spots into pick up areas but it means that we needed a truck that could lift a dumpster from the side.
These existed for single bins, but not full dumpsters. So we have our own new trucks now and they are very cool.
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That’s a beefy version of the side loading system used for residential suburban wheelie bins here in Edmonton. Ours are operated by a single worker from a right hand drive station. No designated spaces but just need 1m clearance.
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I’ve been wondering for a little while if motorised wheely bins could be a real thing. Once a week, a truck blocks the road and slowly empties them all. But what if each one had motorised wheels, a battery, and a little bit of electronics, so once a week at, say 2am, they could all take drive themselves to a centralised collecting area. The batteries could be swapped out if needed and recharged, and then they’d be sent home.
It doesn’t matter if it takes them an hour or so to get there and in smallish convoys they’d be easy to spot and overtake. If they go at a bit over walking speed, they’re no danger to people crossing the road, and at 2am they don’t need to avoid too much traffic. If you don’t want people to have to empty them overnight, just send out a clean replacement rather than sending it back: people don’t need to have the same bin every week and it’s fine to send the ones from Monday’ collection area back to Tuesday’s area the next night after they’ve been emptied, charged, and cleaned.
Probably wouldn’t work somewhere as dense as NYC, since they’d need to be able to reach the road, but might even work there if you let them out in the evening and they trundle away as soon as traffic density drops low enough.
@billiglarper @david_chisnall @futurebird
That’s an amusing image … but there are *so* many ways for things to go wrong in that system. Often the best - ie more robust, resilient, and cheapest - systems involve simple components and people paid reasonably not just to do the work but have brains, adaptability, and problem solving skills.
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird we have 3 people on bin lorries, where one person drives it, the other two grabs the bins from both sides of the roads. Making it faster and prevents traffic build up. They're the most hard working men I've seen! They're there whether it's raining, snowing or scorching hot!
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@futurebird @billiglarper That last paragraph goes perfectly with this. :-D
Jensen Huang says he would be 'deeply alarmed' if his $500,000 engineer did not consume at least $250,000 of tokens
"If that $500,000 engineer did not consume at least $250,000 worth of tokens, I am going to be deeply alarmed," says Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang.
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@baishen @futurebird @billiglarper
First man up against the wall when the revolution comes
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@futurebird My favorite part is the little “don’t stand so close to me” arm that comes down.
And then …
It made me chuckle a bit … but of course that’s a sign of a mature and well thought out system - little things like that literally save limbs and lives.
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@EricLawton @futurebird UK trucks have a crew of three or four. Plus a driver who never gets out, crew *run* down the street attaching wheelie bins to the hydraulic hoist on the back of the truck then running them back to the property. Alternate weeks general rubbish and recycling plus separate collection of food waste weekly. Different councils have slightly different policies.
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@billiglarper @david_chisnall @futurebird
That’s an amusing image … but there are *so* many ways for things to go wrong in that system. Often the best - ie more robust, resilient, and cheapest - systems involve simple components and people paid reasonably not just to do the work but have brains, adaptability, and problem solving skills.
@DavidM_yeg @billiglarper @david_chisnall
My big concern is the same as Fran talks about in this video. When companies try to implement these systems they find ways to do it that steal public space. Why can't the robots park inside of your business and charge there? No room? Huh. Interesting.
Looking at the robots the first thing I think of is that in NYC people would sit on them. (which will be very funny) So that design won't last at least.
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Oh, I see.
One difference might be that even the dumpsters are smaller over here. More like the width of two wheelie bins.
So the folks on the garbage trucks can roll them onto the street and back again.
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The dumpster are smaller, but we have 3 of them - one for paper, one for plastic and metal and the general one.
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@futurebird I'm old enough to remember when bin gangs consisted of a driver and four guys to collect, carry, empty into lorry and return the bins to the house. I wonder how he'd react if he were spirited back to those day
@capnthommo @futurebird When I was a kid we had blokes who emptied our 'bucket and chuck-it' toilet that way. My parents relied on that until they died in the 1980s. One reason I loathe aristocrats and am sceptical about the National Trust who took over the estate in the 70s and failed to modernise the cottages.
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@DavidM_yeg @billiglarper @david_chisnall
My big concern is the same as Fran talks about in this video. When companies try to implement these systems they find ways to do it that steal public space. Why can't the robots park inside of your business and charge there? No room? Huh. Interesting.
Looking at the robots the first thing I think of is that in NYC people would sit on them. (which will be very funny) So that design won't last at least.
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Idea: robot bench networks. wanders the city looking for people to sit on it, learns to find where the largest number of people want to sit and only leaves there when that region is saturated with bench robots. As soon as empty, robot wanders in search of more sitters. Bench robots dispense media about how to build more bench robots. -
@DavidM_yeg @billiglarper @david_chisnall
My big concern is the same as Fran talks about in this video. When companies try to implement these systems they find ways to do it that steal public space. Why can't the robots park inside of your business and charge there? No room? Huh. Interesting.
Looking at the robots the first thing I think of is that in NYC people would sit on them. (which will be very funny) So that design won't last at least.
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@futurebird @billiglarper @david_chisnall
Stealing public space is a looong tradition… and most people become peculiarly blind to that space. Case in point: all the valuable public space eaten up by the automotive industry and private cars
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Yeah, that is tough. I think we get three bin men round our way: one to drive, two to do the bins.
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I'm struggling to even getting myself into the headspace where two people working a truck is upsetting to me.
Maybe this person works for UPS or some delivery company where drivers work alone and it is often *very dangerous*. (but just workable I guess? They still block traffic all the time) and they want everyone to suffer?
How do you look at a $7,000,000 patriot missile and get mad about more people being employed in the very honorable and *life-saving* work of collecting garbage?
@futurebird I find it useful to assume that the US has a caste system and these people think they’re a part of the upper caste. It’s the same with guns, for example. It all comes down to expressions of power and the expectation that others should suffer as a part of the natural order. It’s a fundamentally vibes-based perspective.
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird That person is an ignorant fool. No surprise in a nation full of them.
Trashed: Inside the Deadly World of Private Garbage Collection
Waste removal is one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. On the darkened streets of New York City, it’s a race for survival.
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird
Same idiots would definitely complain if it took twice as long to get the garbage picked up (if it happens at all) when the second person goes away -
@futurebird hi I was in an adjacent industry for some years
TRASH IS FUCKING DANGEROUS. It's not just that there could be sharps, there definitely ARE sharps. There are pressurized cannisters and car batteries and gas cans improperly disposed of. There are live animals with diseases. There's heavy shit and gross shit and actual shit shit. Illegal shit and shit packed so it moves unexpectedly and could collapse. Falling shit and flying shit. The second guy is there to save the first guy's life.
@Linza @futurebird absolutely. Worked for a few months in the waste management department of my county council once. They employed a chemist full time to advise, monitor, test and enforce control of what went into simple landfill to ensure there weren't any 'unfortunate' reactions. Because people will try and get away with all kinds of sketchy, and ultimately deadly, shit. And that's just with burying it underground. (Back then that was where most of it went)
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird It's a constant refrain with the subway too. Sorry, the conductor checking the doors before the train leaves the station is not the reason for the TA being needlessly expensive, it's the billions handed out to machine connected contracting firms and I'm so sick of every "urbanist" with a youtube/substack laundering this shit
