People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
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I love the new trucks so much. I get that some people are mad that it was expensive to develop but we really needed a better solution.
Can you imagine how horrible it'd be for traffic if there was just one guy in the garbage truck? Trying to run the arms via a camera? It'd be a disaster.
I would like to see a venn diagram of "people who complain about too many people on garbage trucks" and "people who complain about being stuck in traffic behind a garbage truck"
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@futurebird Was the complainant a person who has absolutely nothing else with which to concern him/herself? What a ridiculous focus of one’s ire.
It was the comment section on a video where people geek out about garbage trucks. (yes this is how I spend my free time)
I was shocked at the passion this dude had for making a two person job into a one person job.
And yes, that would save money, but we all know it'd also make the results worse. It's corner cutting on something that I think is valuable and important. It never occurred to me that there would be people who look at guys with good jobs doing real work and just hate.
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How have so many people been trained to think like they are private equity managers who just want to cut every job, anything that makes middle class people exist?
And this comment had a bunch of likes ... none of the people getting mad about this really are private equity managers. They won't get rich. But the sight of people with "cushy" (livable, decent) jobs just makes them mad?
It's so depressing.
It's absolutely depressing.
Perhaps they are projecting? The want to take advantage of others, so they see others taking advantage of them all the time? Pehaps reinforced by their own unhappyness in life? Like they think they would be "deserving" of more status, but "they" are keeping them down?
And it's doubly frustrating by how stupid it is. A driver and a collector is the bare minimum to be efficient. Anybody who has seen the speed at wich they work should know this.
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@futurebird of you replaced the two guys with one robot (pay 4 times their combined salary to Elon Musk*) it would suddenly be ok because we've been trained to consider that paying people is waste unless they're billionaires.
*Lol, like his robots are ever going to be skilled enough
This whole thing where they are so excited to eliminate real honorable work, like taking care of old people and taking away the garbage at ANY COST transmits a kind of deep disrespect for real work that I just can't abide. It is so deeply anti-social.
I love high tech solutions and robots. These things can make this work faster, and more effective. It can make the work safer. DSNY die in the line of duty all the time.
We should talk about that more.
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It's absolutely depressing.
Perhaps they are projecting? The want to take advantage of others, so they see others taking advantage of them all the time? Pehaps reinforced by their own unhappyness in life? Like they think they would be "deserving" of more status, but "they" are keeping them down?
And it's doubly frustrating by how stupid it is. A driver and a collector is the bare minimum to be efficient. Anybody who has seen the speed at wich they work should know this.
Maybe it just because it's the kind of thing that seems "smart" that's how most media frame it.
If I had a dime for every guy who has said to me "the largest expense for a business is payroll" like it was some kind of revelation maybe I'd be rich enough that I'd understand how they think about jobs.
Of course the largest expense is payroll! If it isn't what is your company even doing? Probably not anything of value.
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@futurebird Honestly, I wouldn't operate heavy machinery or handle potentially dangerous items like that unless I have someone with me.
Let alone in NYC traffic.
I know. It's such a difficult job and this fun time we are all having living in a dense city just would not happen without this work. I guess I wish more people took that seriously. Especially because people die and are badly injured just trying to make it all happen.
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It's absolutely depressing.
Perhaps they are projecting? The want to take advantage of others, so they see others taking advantage of them all the time? Pehaps reinforced by their own unhappyness in life? Like they think they would be "deserving" of more status, but "they" are keeping them down?
And it's doubly frustrating by how stupid it is. A driver and a collector is the bare minimum to be efficient. Anybody who has seen the speed at wich they work should know this.
But thanks for leading me down a rabbit hole.
I didn't know that garbage trucks with rear tippers aren't standard in NY, with trash often getting put out in trash bags.
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Just a comparison. Not trying to bash, I just thought wheelie bins and rear tippers were the default in most cities.
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I'm struggling to even getting myself into the headspace where two people working a truck is upsetting to me.
Maybe this person works for UPS or some delivery company where drivers work alone and it is often *very dangerous*. (but just workable I guess? They still block traffic all the time) and they want everyone to suffer?
How do you look at a $7,000,000 patriot missile and get mad about more people being employed in the very honorable and *life-saving* work of collecting garbage?
@futurebird Statistically a more dangerous job than the military, firefighters, police, … https://www.waste360.com/waste-collection-transfer/garbage-collection-rated-one-of-most-dangerous-jobs-study-says
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But thanks for leading me down a rabbit hole.
I didn't know that garbage trucks with rear tippers aren't standard in NY, with trash often getting put out in trash bags.
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Just a comparison. Not trying to bash, I just thought wheelie bins and rear tippers were the default in most cities.
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"I didn't know that garbage trucks with rear tippers aren't standard in NY, with trash often getting put out in trash bags.
"We live like primitive cavemen in this town. It's absurd.
But how can you back up to pick up a dumpster on a one way street? There is no "back of the building" in NYC. The back of the building is the front of another building.
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I'm struggling to even getting myself into the headspace where two people working a truck is upsetting to me.
Maybe this person works for UPS or some delivery company where drivers work alone and it is often *very dangerous*. (but just workable I guess? They still block traffic all the time) and they want everyone to suffer?
How do you look at a $7,000,000 patriot missile and get mad about more people being employed in the very honorable and *life-saving* work of collecting garbage?
@futurebird Reminds me of the joke about the guy who will do anything to protect his family but he just means killing someone. Not anything actually useful like making sure the kids are clean, well fed, getting with housework, etc.
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird Yeah, we're headed for N. Korea territory and people are thinking they're happy with that idea.
You're not, but I don't know how to convince anyone of it. We all just have to learn together I guess.
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird I recently learned how much more the folks on the garbage trucks make than I do (it’s a lot) but I still support them, respect them, and appreciate them. You’ll hear no bad words from me. It’s also a job I would not want to do. We need strong unions for all working class people.
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Maybe it just because it's the kind of thing that seems "smart" that's how most media frame it.
If I had a dime for every guy who has said to me "the largest expense for a business is payroll" like it was some kind of revelation maybe I'd be rich enough that I'd understand how they think about jobs.
Of course the largest expense is payroll! If it isn't what is your company even doing? Probably not anything of value.
@futurebird @billiglarper and it really doesn’t make sense if the person complaining about payroll believes in trickle down economics. How is it supposed to trickle down if it’s not primarily trickling down through payroll?
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@futurebird I recently learned how much more the folks on the garbage trucks make than I do (it’s a lot) but I still support them, respect them, and appreciate them. You’ll hear no bad words from me. It’s also a job I would not want to do. We need strong unions for all working class people.
They make decent money. And that should be a model for how more jobs should be not a reason to try to ruin it.
It also really is a dangerous job and you can't do it forever. You need to switch to something less intense in your 40s or 50s because it's physically demanding.
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I'm struggling to even getting myself into the headspace where two people working a truck is upsetting to me.
Maybe this person works for UPS or some delivery company where drivers work alone and it is often *very dangerous*. (but just workable I guess? They still block traffic all the time) and they want everyone to suffer?
How do you look at a $7,000,000 patriot missile and get mad about more people being employed in the very honorable and *life-saving* work of collecting garbage?
@futurebird I assume it’s because it’s “dirty work” while a CEO looks nice and clean, wearing a suit, but probably has blood on their hands.
People look down on service industry workers, retail workers, and anyone they see as being “below” them.
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They make decent money. And that should be a model for how more jobs should be not a reason to try to ruin it.
It also really is a dangerous job and you can't do it forever. You need to switch to something less intense in your 40s or 50s because it's physically demanding.
@futurebird 100%. If I look back at the job I did in my mid-40s I know it would be quite a struggle with another dozen years added on as it is today, even ignoring my current health problems.
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@futurebird Reminds me of the joke about the guy who will do anything to protect his family but he just means killing someone. Not anything actually useful like making sure the kids are clean, well fed, getting with housework, etc.
@baishen @futurebird This is all very "Protestant work ethics", classism, and trying to find ways to be a dick to others on the basis of some bullshit reason to feel superior to them.
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@baishen @futurebird This is all very "Protestant work ethics", classism, and trying to find ways to be a dick to others on the basis of some bullshit reason to feel superior to them.
@baishen @futurebird I mean, did anybody pay attention to who were the critical workers six years ago? I believe that, contrary to what it may seem, yes, most people did, and that broke the brains of techbros and plutocrats, because their fucking charade about how they deserve to be overpaid fucks was there for everybody to see.
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Maybe it just because it's the kind of thing that seems "smart" that's how most media frame it.
If I had a dime for every guy who has said to me "the largest expense for a business is payroll" like it was some kind of revelation maybe I'd be rich enough that I'd understand how they think about jobs.
Of course the largest expense is payroll! If it isn't what is your company even doing? Probably not anything of value.
@futurebird @billiglarper top three business expenses:
* payroll (yours)
* payroll (your suppliers')
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@baishen @futurebird This is all very "Protestant work ethics", classism, and trying to find ways to be a dick to others on the basis of some bullshit reason to feel superior to them.
It's just I thought that part of "work ethic" was valuing work. Saying "thank you" when someone cooks and brings you a meal. Understanding that if someone cleans up after you? You should have deep respect and thankfulness for them helping you in that way.
Nothing feels more like "spoiled brat" to me than someone who doesn't respect this kind of work.
They could have just left you sitting in your own trash and you would deserve it. (The way I see it anyway.)
