Bullies like to say that "might makes right" but they don't *really* want to live by those words.
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@JessTheUnstill @futurebird at the same time, the means do become the ends and we always have to actively ask ourselves, if we win using these tactics, what world will that create, will it embody justice?
whatever we do to create a new status quo, we'll be periodically obligated to re-enact it as long as the status quo lasts, and we shouldn't pretend otherwise.
@JessTheUnstill @futurebird it's just... none of those concerns should stop us from considering things. they're part of it, but only part.
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Simply fighting back will send a bully into a fit of confusion and fear.
This is why the redistricting fight was so effective.
"But YOU aren't supposed to be like this. You always follow the rules and norms."
Bullies count on us being more in love with our own moral standing than protecting the people we care about. That's a big mistake with me at least.
@futurebird
Bullies also think you are scared of taking a punch and will chicken out. Because THEY are scared of taking a punch.And they might be right too.
Best cure for that is actually taking a punch. Getting punched in the face isn't fun, but it might be a lot less bad than you fear. You might find it more energizing than painful.
In my experience, bullies though, when they actually do get punched back, cry a lot.
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@futurebird
Bullies also think you are scared of taking a punch and will chicken out. Because THEY are scared of taking a punch.And they might be right too.
Best cure for that is actually taking a punch. Getting punched in the face isn't fun, but it might be a lot less bad than you fear. You might find it more energizing than painful.
In my experience, bullies though, when they actually do get punched back, cry a lot.
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@ireneista @futurebird The "they go low, we go high" doesn't work when your opponents don't have any shame and a majority of voters either cheer on the sucker punching or at least don't mind the fact that it's happening.
The only winning move is to race to the bottom.
I think this is also playing a role in the "it's fake" response to this shooting. It's not so much that anyone wants to make up a elaborate theory about how it was staged, it's more a desire not to be jerked around emotionally again.
These very grim events are just media games and exploited so quickly and cynically it makes me feel like a chump to sit here going "I agree political violence is wrong"
It's fake. I'm not playing along. Have fun.
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I think this is also playing a role in the "it's fake" response to this shooting. It's not so much that anyone wants to make up a elaborate theory about how it was staged, it's more a desire not to be jerked around emotionally again.
These very grim events are just media games and exploited so quickly and cynically it makes me feel like a chump to sit here going "I agree political violence is wrong"
It's fake. I'm not playing along. Have fun.
I cannot take this seriously. I do not have the energy to try and sort out any real harm from the fake drama.
And I don't trust anything the white-house says since they lie so much.
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I think this is also playing a role in the "it's fake" response to this shooting. It's not so much that anyone wants to make up a elaborate theory about how it was staged, it's more a desire not to be jerked around emotionally again.
These very grim events are just media games and exploited so quickly and cynically it makes me feel like a chump to sit here going "I agree political violence is wrong"
It's fake. I'm not playing along. Have fun.
@futurebird @JessTheUnstill yeah. we do very much encourage not playing drama games. the whole circus is trying to manipulate people's emotions with this whole roller coaster...
importantly, that has nothing to do with the underlying reality of the events
the trick is to not get led around emotionally while also not having our ability to perceive reality destroyed. disinformation is trying to destroy the concept of truth; we can't let it
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Bullies like to say that "might makes right" but they don't *really* want to live by those words.
The entire meta of being a bully is based on targeting the weakest people to show that you *might* not follow the same rules as everyone else if you don't get your way. Your transgression, your disregard for social order scares the mass of people into simply giving you what you want **without a fight.**
As soon as people start fighting back? Bullies loose. They are outnumbered.
@futurebird it only took 16 years of operating norms being openly and wantonly violated for the Dems to buy a clue.
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I cannot take this seriously. I do not have the energy to try and sort out any real harm from the fake drama.
And I don't trust anything the white-house says since they lie so much.
@futurebird @ireneista That's not what I was trying to say and I apologize if that's how it came out. I, for one, don't think it was staged, but the response is straight out of their standard playbook they all have agreed upon in advance for any time "political violence" happens.
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@futurebird @ireneista That's not what I was trying to say and I apologize if that's how it came out. I, for one, don't think it was staged, but the response is straight out of their standard playbook they all have agreed upon in advance for any time "political violence" happens.
I was just thinking of another example of "not playing nice" I didn't mean to tie that to your comment directly.
But it's just that playbook that I'm sick of seeing people go along with as if any of the people calling for "respect" are even sad about anything.
It feels fake.
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I was just thinking of another example of "not playing nice" I didn't mean to tie that to your comment directly.
But it's just that playbook that I'm sick of seeing people go along with as if any of the people calling for "respect" are even sad about anything.
It feels fake.
RE: https://orbital.horse/@emma/116472965488219616
@futurebird @JessTheUnstill @ireneista
Yeah, this is all very exhausting and leads to doubt.
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I was just thinking of another example of "not playing nice" I didn't mean to tie that to your comment directly.
But it's just that playbook that I'm sick of seeing people go along with as if any of the people calling for "respect" are even sad about anything.
It feels fake.
@futurebird @JessTheUnstill oh, yes, the calls for respect are just straight-up lies. it is not a thing these assholes give a shit about, its point is purely to silence us.
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I think this is also playing a role in the "it's fake" response to this shooting. It's not so much that anyone wants to make up a elaborate theory about how it was staged, it's more a desire not to be jerked around emotionally again.
These very grim events are just media games and exploited so quickly and cynically it makes me feel like a chump to sit here going "I agree political violence is wrong"
It's fake. I'm not playing along. Have fun.
@futurebird @JessTheUnstill @ireneista Every party-line Republican vote since 2013 is downstream of the successful* assassination-attempt of Gabby Giffords.
(* the goal wasn't murder, it was removal as a political actor. Which entirely succeeded.)
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Bullies like to say that "might makes right" but they don't *really* want to live by those words.
The entire meta of being a bully is based on targeting the weakest people to show that you *might* not follow the same rules as everyone else if you don't get your way. Your transgression, your disregard for social order scares the mass of people into simply giving you what you want **without a fight.**
As soon as people start fighting back? Bullies loose. They are outnumbered.
The thing about bullies, as is true with football and baseball players, is that there's always someone smarter, faster, better coming up right behind them. Their hold on power is fleeting.
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Bullies like to say that "might makes right" but they don't *really* want to live by those words.
The entire meta of being a bully is based on targeting the weakest people to show that you *might* not follow the same rules as everyone else if you don't get your way. Your transgression, your disregard for social order scares the mass of people into simply giving you what you want **without a fight.**
As soon as people start fighting back? Bullies loose. They are outnumbered.
My line: By the time you hit a bully, he's already won.
Violence is their game, not ours. The trick is to mock them early and often. Laughter is kryptonite to bullies.
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Simply fighting back will send a bully into a fit of confusion and fear.
This is why the redistricting fight was so effective.
"But YOU aren't supposed to be like this. You always follow the rules and norms."
Bullies count on us being more in love with our own moral standing than protecting the people we care about. That's a big mistake with me at least.
@futurebird The paradox of toleration needing defense
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Simply fighting back will send a bully into a fit of confusion and fear.
This is why the redistricting fight was so effective.
"But YOU aren't supposed to be like this. You always follow the rules and norms."
Bullies count on us being more in love with our own moral standing than protecting the people we care about. That's a big mistake with me at least.
@futurebird reminds me of a phrase I like. "Don't confuse kindness with weakness."
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Simply fighting back will send a bully into a fit of confusion and fear.
This is why the redistricting fight was so effective.
"But YOU aren't supposed to be like this. You always follow the rules and norms."
Bullies count on us being more in love with our own moral standing than protecting the people we care about. That's a big mistake with me at least.
@futurebird the reasons is: «we ARE playing by the rules: the rules YOU set»
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Simply fighting back will send a bully into a fit of confusion and fear.
This is why the redistricting fight was so effective.
"But YOU aren't supposed to be like this. You always follow the rules and norms."
Bullies count on us being more in love with our own moral standing than protecting the people we care about. That's a big mistake with me at least.
@futurebird
There's an old Italian saying that was used by Sandro Pertini, a leader of the Resistance Movement against the fascist regime during WWII and then President of the Italian Republic: "a brigante, brigante e mezzo".
It translates "to brigand, brigand and a half". -
@futurebird (though we worry about that inadvertently promoting elitist narratives or overly hierarchical theories of change, and don't encourage mass adoption of it as a slogan)
@ireneista
This thread reminds me of something Andrewism said recently. Paraphrased: anarchists in still use force, though not for enforcing authority nor for creating hierarchies.Do We Need Leaders
2:54 first mention of force
11:32 second mention- YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
(www.youtube.com)
UPDATE: found it.
Let me see if I can find the source. I binged his videos so they are blending together in my head.
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@ireneista
This thread reminds me of something Andrewism said recently. Paraphrased: anarchists in still use force, though not for enforcing authority nor for creating hierarchies.Do We Need Leaders
2:54 first mention of force
11:32 second mention- YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.
(www.youtube.com)
UPDATE: found it.
Let me see if I can find the source. I binged his videos so they are blending together in my head.
@futurebird@toolbear @futurebird ah! sounds highly relevant, thank you!
