"Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"
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@benroyce damn right, burn em to the ground! Could not believe trump regime ordered construction of wind farms shut down and even paid one developer $1B of our tax money to stop construction!
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@txtx
A barrel nobody wants is worth even less.
Demand destruction is tidier than supply destruction.@Photo55 Why not both?
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@Photo55 Why not both?
@txtx as a transitional state, it has some merit.
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of course, as a culture
but we speak of "china" in this context in terms of it as a political entity, which only dates to 1949
and the shift that led to its embrace of capitalism and its economic rise is even more recent, 1978 and deng xiaoping
@benroyce I suspect the Middle Kingdom hasn't gone away altogether, and a Middle Kingdom and outer barbarians implies an Inner Kingdom.
We still have bits of Rome under the Norman underlay, and the various seepages.
And it doesn't take me long to get to something from a long time before Rome came here, although how many cultural elements from then hang on. Footpaths and plantings do.
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@benroyce I suspect the Middle Kingdom hasn't gone away altogether, and a Middle Kingdom and outer barbarians implies an Inner Kingdom.
We still have bits of Rome under the Norman underlay, and the various seepages.
And it doesn't take me long to get to something from a long time before Rome came here, although how many cultural elements from then hang on. Footpaths and plantings do.
sure but this is whimsical poetical musings of vague echoes, not contemporary hard political realities
what you refer to is ancient echoes. it's an aspect of cultural roots. what that has to do with the political sphere is extremely obscure to the point of irrelevancy
china being totalitarian capitalist doesn't have anything to do with the song dynasty's struggles with the jin dynasty
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@mike805 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce
Most petro-state's primary benefit from having fossil fuels is the ability to export them. If the non petro-states transition to renewables (which provides both environmental and national security benefits to them) it cuts off the export markets the petro-states rely on and that will force the petro-states to adopt green technology in turn.
@RantingCanuck @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce The problem with being a petroleum exporter is that money goes to the rulers of the nation, which therefore do not have to care about their populations.
They can spend on either security forces to keep a boot on the public's neck, or handouts to keep them pacified, or some mixture. The rest they just use to live large.
They also spend money to manipulate politics elsewhere and keep that game going. The USA is easy to manipulate with money.
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and russia is aiming at apartment buildings
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@Photo55 A blown up barrel of oil has a value of zero dollars, so I agree with you there!
@txtx @Photo55 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce Not only that but they are going to pump another barrel somewhere to replace it. So you double the environmental impact.
Probably more than double. There is no clean tech on an explosion.
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@txtx @Photo55 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce Not only that but they are going to pump another barrel somewhere to replace it. So you double the environmental impact.
Probably more than double. There is no clean tech on an explosion.
@mike805 Well Russia should stop their stupid war then shouldn't they — Putin can then unleash the environmentalist hidden deep inside him and stop pumping all that extra oil.
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@mike805 Well Russia should stop their stupid war then shouldn't they — Putin can then unleash the environmentalist hidden deep inside him and stop pumping all that extra oil.
@txtx @Photo55 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce Yeah, not likely. There is no environmentalist inside Putin. He is the best current example of a hard power, militarist, fossil fuel dinosaur powered leader.
Green utopia, if it ever exists, will have to figure out how to defend itself against such people. Because both warlike pricks and the dinosaur juice to power their forces will always exist.
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@txtx @Photo55 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce Yeah, not likely. There is no environmentalist inside Putin. He is the best current example of a hard power, militarist, fossil fuel dinosaur powered leader.
Green utopia, if it ever exists, will have to figure out how to defend itself against such people. Because both warlike pricks and the dinosaur juice to power their forces will always exist.
@mike805 @txtx @Photo55 @roblosricos @Npars01
fuck green utopia
we're just talking about transitioning off fossil fuels, which will never be 100%
please stop using some vision of perfection as a basis for your words. it's not honest about what the real topic is here
if we make russia be able to field only 10 tanks instead of 100, that matters. that's the point of *transition*. fuck perfection
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@mike805 @txtx @Photo55 @roblosricos @Npars01
fuck green utopia
we're just talking about transitioning off fossil fuels, which will never be 100%
please stop using some vision of perfection as a basis for your words. it's not honest about what the real topic is here
if we make russia be able to field only 10 tanks instead of 100, that matters. that's the point of *transition*. fuck perfection
@benroyce @txtx @Photo55 @roblosricos @Npars01 My point is, installing solar panels is all well and good. But anyone who actually gives up producing and refining fossil fuels is militarily at the mercy of anyone who does not do that.
Using solar for civilian power to free up oil and gas for military preparedness is a good idea.
This fuel shortage will make small scale panel and battery systems very popular in places where people used to use generators. That will have benefits after it's over.
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@benroyce @txtx @Photo55 @roblosricos @Npars01 My point is, installing solar panels is all well and good. But anyone who actually gives up producing and refining fossil fuels is militarily at the mercy of anyone who does not do that.
Using solar for civilian power to free up oil and gas for military preparedness is a good idea.
This fuel shortage will make small scale panel and battery systems very popular in places where people used to use generators. That will have benefits after it's over.
@mike805
"Fossil".
Finite resource, on the downslope.
Hydrocarbons: a convenient dense energy store.
Alcohols: likewise
Terpenes and so on, likewise.
Ammonia: no CO2, electrosynthetic and biological processes to produce; toxic; feedstock for explosive
Hydrazine: denser; more toxic; atmospheric CO2 plus N2; but, not keen.Point 1: none, including first, are even synonymous with "fossil".
Point 2: all except NH3 remove CO2 from atmosphere. -
@benroyce @txtx @Photo55 @roblosricos @Npars01 My point is, installing solar panels is all well and good. But anyone who actually gives up producing and refining fossil fuels is militarily at the mercy of anyone who does not do that.
Using solar for civilian power to free up oil and gas for military preparedness is a good idea.
This fuel shortage will make small scale panel and battery systems very popular in places where people used to use generators. That will have benefits after it's over.
@mike805 I'm supporting Ukraine blowing up Russian oil infrastructure here — why would you think I expect them to do it on a bicycle?
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