I guess since the whole "Flatpak creating a dependency on systemd" bullshit has surfaced this week there has been some other conversations about systemd going on throughout the Fediverse.
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I guess since the whole "Flatpak creating a dependency on systemd" bullshit has surfaced this week there has been some other conversations about systemd going on throughout the Fediverse.
I've seen some oblique references to Debian making an effort to make OpenRC more viable as an alternate init system. That's about all I've gathered on my hit-n-run timeline surfing the last several days. Not sure if this is an official Debian project or just someone's wish list.
Anyone have the skinny? Links to actual discussions?
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I guess since the whole "Flatpak creating a dependency on systemd" bullshit has surfaced this week there has been some other conversations about systemd going on throughout the Fediverse.
I've seen some oblique references to Debian making an effort to make OpenRC more viable as an alternate init system. That's about all I've gathered on my hit-n-run timeline surfing the last several days. Not sure if this is an official Debian project or just someone's wish list.
Anyone have the skinny? Links to actual discussions?
@RootMoose I'd like to hear some details on this, too. Stuff like implementing an independent fork of varlink and multiseat support would go a long way towards defanging the argument that "if you want feature X, systemd is the only game in town".
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@rl_dane @RootMoose I remember that. They voted to basically say "we support exploration of alternative inits, but we're not gonna do that work".
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@rl_dane @antoniusmisfit The references I was referring to made it seem like there was recent/current about an alt-init system.
I dunno mang
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@rl_dane @RootMoose basically, yeah. It was the minimally diplomatic choice because they knew there would be a backlash if they said "we're systemd-only and we won't support other inits at all".
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"...systemd is not (merely) an init system. It's way, way more than that."
This is the basic problem with systemd. It is trying to not only be an init but also be the userland of the target system.
I'm not going to rant here with all the tired examples of why systemd sucks. It just does and no one will change my mind about that.
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@thatbrickster Wow - that's a real shit storm of a thread. After reading about a third of it I may need to go have a lie down. Ha.
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I guess since the whole "Flatpak creating a dependency on systemd" bullshit has surfaced this week there has been some other conversations about systemd going on throughout the Fediverse.
I've seen some oblique references to Debian making an effort to make OpenRC more viable as an alternate init system. That's about all I've gathered on my hit-n-run timeline surfing the last several days. Not sure if this is an official Debian project or just someone's wish list.
Anyone have the skinny? Links to actual discussions?
@RootMoose I wanted a Debian-based system without systemd so I've installed Devuan with sysVinit, as secondary OS. As a rather casual desktop user, I haven't encountered yet any use case that actually requires systemd's power features, so far I could get by with OpenRC or sysVinit just fine.
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