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  3. There is no ethical consumption of HBO’s Harry Potter series https://www.theverge.com/report/901818/hbo-harry-potter-jk-rowling-transphobia

There is no ethical consumption of HBO’s Harry Potter series https://www.theverge.com/report/901818/hbo-harry-potter-jk-rowling-transphobia

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  • webshinra@pouet.chapril.orgW webshinra@pouet.chapril.org

    @t54r4n1 @verge On the second part: putting anything I want in my brain is my choice, the alternative is pretty ugly.

    Secondly, Harry Potter as books where not terf shit, and (probably non-volontary) say some encouraging stuff about self détermination.

    I won't presume what will be done next, but the horrible person the author have become does not change retrospectively the stuff she wrote before.

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    @t54r4n1 @verge (to be clear, I'm not interested, as I read HP with pleasure like in 2004, and have grown away from it since.)

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    • verge@mastodon.socialV verge@mastodon.social

      There is no ethical consumption of HBO’s Harry Potter series https://www.theverge.com/report/901818/hbo-harry-potter-jk-rowling-transphobia

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      @verge @BenGleason thank you for being clear about this

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      • webshinra@pouet.chapril.orgW webshinra@pouet.chapril.org

        @t54r4n1 @verge (to be clear, I'm not interested, as I read HP with pleasure like in 2004, and have grown away from it since.)

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        @webshinra try reading it again and seeing if you notice the antisemitism this time. or Dobby, the happy slave

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        • t54r4n1@mspsocial.netT t54r4n1@mspsocial.net

          @webshinra try reading it again and seeing if you notice the antisemitism this time. or Dobby, the happy slave

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          @t54r4n1 I did that, and saw that (the antisemitism is arguable, the happy slave not) and many other stuff, thanks. I would not recommand my nephew to read those, and for reason far worse in my eyes than those two points.

          So please, don't tell my what media is ethical to watch, which is a very different point than contributing to their economy/popularity.

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          • verge@mastodon.socialV verge@mastodon.social

            There is no ethical consumption of HBO’s Harry Potter series https://www.theverge.com/report/901818/hbo-harry-potter-jk-rowling-transphobia

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            @verge @smilingdemon

            I don’t know who needs to see this, but if you’re hungering for #UrbanFantasy, Juno Dawson’s amazing books are sitting right there. #Witches using #GirlPower to fight transphobes & the patriarchy. #A24 just needs to have her adapt them, license some Spice Girls tunes, & they’ll have a winning #movie “quadrilogy”.

            #JunoDawson #HMRC #HerMagestysRoyalCoven #Queer #Transgender

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            • ggmcbg@mstdn.plusG ggmcbg@mstdn.plus

              @verge

              You'd think she could afford to make-up a whole different story to tell.
              Or maybe it's a way to retro-cram more JK bad-ideas into work that she now wants to use to directly manipulate malleable minds in-service to the greater fascist and hate machines.

              Shit, man. I still don't want Star Wars prequels or Road House remake. Not from a quality or nostalgia angle either. Just tell new stories is all. Retro retellings are the laziest kind of work from assholes who can afford to give-up.

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              @GGMcBG @verge Yeah but when she tried to make new "mature" stories, no one wanted to read them, that's the thing.

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              • ignacyy@mastodon.socialI ignacyy@mastodon.social

                @verge I agree of course, but I would start with more fundamental issues like genocide of thousands of children in Palestine and that there is no ethical consumption of any services that are providing assistance to Israel to murder those civilians (almost entire BigTech etc.)

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                @ignacyy@mastodon.social @verge@mastodon.social

                The key difference is that it's quite difficult for most people to avoid big tech entirely, since most employers and even many governments require you to have a Google, Apple, or Microsoft account. On the other hand, it's pretty easy to just not watch any HBO shows, with comparatively few situations where you might "have" to (if you're a professional film critic, or if you're a kid and your parents are trying to make you watch it for some reason.)

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                • verge@mastodon.socialV verge@mastodon.social

                  There is no ethical consumption of HBO’s Harry Potter series https://www.theverge.com/report/901818/hbo-harry-potter-jk-rowling-transphobia

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                  @verge

                  I thought about boosting this, but since it is behind a paywall.... I'll pass.

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                    @agowa338 I’ve read the room, and the room I’m in tells me ”jokes” about violence against trans people are exactly what we don’t need right now.

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                    • art_codesmith@toot.cafeA art_codesmith@toot.cafe

                      @GGMcBG @verge Yeah but when she tried to make new "mature" stories, no one wanted to read them, that's the thing.

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                      @art_codesmith
                      And any good artist can recognize where the lines stop in their art.
                      She told her story, made many, many, manymanymanymany millions. It will carry forever.
                      It's time to stop and let others tell new stories.

                      Unless its purpose now is to become something more than it was.
                      And what will that be?
                      In any case, fuck that. It's just another story about a magic baby. We've been here and beat this rocking-horsie to death.

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                      • verge@mastodon.socialV verge@mastodon.social

                        There is no ethical consumption of HBO’s Harry Potter series https://www.theverge.com/report/901818/hbo-harry-potter-jk-rowling-transphobia

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                        @verge
                        Paywalled

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                        • D ddetmer@mastodon.social

                          @verge Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Harry Potter is a delight and kids can enjoy every minute of them.
                          JK has views most progressive thinkers don’t agree with but then Charles Dickens abhorred poverty but seemed fine with slavery. Each of us has choices to make. She has to live with herself. We can live without.

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                          @ddetmer @verge Dickens may have had racist tendencies, but he consistently wrote against slavery.

                          He's also long dead.

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                          • art_codesmith@toot.cafeA art_codesmith@toot.cafe

                            @GGMcBG @verge Yeah but when she tried to make new "mature" stories, no one wanted to read them, that's the thing.

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                            @art_codesmith @GGMcBG @verge if only that were true, Robert's Strike series seems to do ‘well enough’, and the BBC has kept adapting them just about as fast as can write 'em — with by no means small viewing figures.

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                            • verge@mastodon.socialV verge@mastodon.social

                              There is no ethical consumption of HBO’s Harry Potter series https://www.theverge.com/report/901818/hbo-harry-potter-jk-rowling-transphobia

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                              @verge I'll decide what is ethical for me to consume. But hey, thanks Verge for being the world police.

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                              • ariaflame@masto.aiA ariaflame@masto.ai

                                @dm29 @jaredwhite @verge You didn't specify that. You said no consumption could be unethical.

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                                @ariaflame @dm29 @jaredwhite @verge OK so please explain to me how consuming Harry Potter is unethical.

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                                • zbrown@floss.socialZ zbrown@floss.social

                                  @ddetmer @verge Dickens may have had racist tendencies, but he consistently wrote against slavery.

                                  He's also long dead.

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                                  @zbrown @verge Sorry possibly so. I meant the comparison that we don’t know enough about any writer to say whether they agreed with our own beliefs. To judge JK because of things she says are hers …well I just think HP is a great kids book series. I apologize if I defamed Dickens. I don’t like Tom Cruise because of his behavior and beliefs which aren’t mine but Top Gun is still a great movie.

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                                  • L liohn@mastodon.social

                                    @ariaflame @dm29 @jaredwhite @verge OK so please explain to me how consuming Harry Potter is unethical.

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                                    @liohn @ariaflame @dm29 @verge folks, look at this profile's (extremely recent) history. troll account. no reply necessary.

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                                    • moondancer@beige.partyM moondancer@beige.party

                                      @s1m0n4

                                      "Other bad shit happens. Therefore you can't comment on bad shit happening."

                                      @ariaflame @dm29@mastodon.social @jaredwhite @verge

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                                      you really like to put words in another's person mouth when you can't argue.

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                                      • D ddetmer@mastodon.social

                                        @zbrown @verge Sorry possibly so. I meant the comparison that we don’t know enough about any writer to say whether they agreed with our own beliefs. To judge JK because of things she says are hers …well I just think HP is a great kids book series. I apologize if I defamed Dickens. I don’t like Tom Cruise because of his behavior and beliefs which aren’t mine but Top Gun is still a great movie.

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                                        @ddetmer @verge see but the problem is it isn't a simple matter of unsavoury ‘beliefs’, JKR is trying — largely succeeding — to enforce her worldview on us all, and openly boasts of using her HP income to do so.

                                        Perhaps if she like Dickens were dead we could view HP much as we do Roald Dahl's stories: fun books for kids, at least when lightly edited.

                                        But she's very much alive and kicking, and making the lives of millions worse.

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                                        • zbrown@floss.socialZ zbrown@floss.social

                                          @ddetmer @verge see but the problem is it isn't a simple matter of unsavoury ‘beliefs’, JKR is trying — largely succeeding — to enforce her worldview on us all, and openly boasts of using her HP income to do so.

                                          Perhaps if she like Dickens were dead we could view HP much as we do Roald Dahl's stories: fun books for kids, at least when lightly edited.

                                          But she's very much alive and kicking, and making the lives of millions worse.

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                                          @zbrown @verge She’s disappointed most of her fans and she’s rich enough to not give a 💩. I get it. But there are more than enough people who want to destroy our country democracy planet 🌎
                                          Most of those people are doing more damage than JK could ever do.
                                          I think we put her on a pedestal. We loved her rags to riches story writing in the fish and chip shops and stuff like that. Wanted her to be better and she isn’t. She’s shallow minded and self centered. That’s her life. Not ours

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