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  3. You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait.

You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait.

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  • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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    You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

    There's just one problem.

    The US never ratified that treaty.

    theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT nmba@mstdn.caN bltpizza@mastodon.socialB rapsneezy@mastodon.socialR reay@beige.partyR 13 Replies Last reply
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    • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

      You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

      There's just one problem.

      The US never ratified that treaty.

      theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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      We want the ability to control our own waterways, including through things like the Jones Act that would arguably violate that treaty.

      So...we never signed it.

      So now we're angry with Iran for violating a treaty neither of us is a party to.

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      • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

        You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

        There's just one problem.

        The US never ratified that treaty.

        nmba@mstdn.caN This user is from outside of this forum
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        @theleftistlawyer
        Any country that has failed to sign up to the International Criminal Court should have no standing in international law.

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        • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

          You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

          There's just one problem.

          The US never ratified that treaty.

          bltpizza@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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          @theleftistlawyer Why would Iran suddenly "close" the Stait of Hormuz? It's so unfair.

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          • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

            You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

            There's just one problem.

            The US never ratified that treaty.

            rapsneezy@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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            @theleftistlawyer

            Isn't the USA blockading Cuba?

            Venezuela?

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            • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

              You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

              There's just one problem.

              The US never ratified that treaty.

              reay@beige.partyR This user is from outside of this forum
              reay@beige.partyR This user is from outside of this forum
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              @theleftistlawyer @Binder Someone should tell Rubio that the U.S. can’t legally be attacking Iran, and see how that goes over.

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              • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

                There's just one problem.

                The US never ratified that treaty.

                benhm3@saint-paul.usB This user is from outside of this forum
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                @theleftistlawyer

                Right, legally, one can’t close the airspace over one’s house by firing a machine gun into the air.

                There’s the itty bitty matter of getting one to stop once they start.

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                • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                  You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

                  There's just one problem.

                  The US never ratified that treaty.

                  pomubieng@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @theleftistlawyer not just one problem: US agression of Iran is also unlawful under international law. The US does not care a shit on international law, in general. That’s not a problem, is a modus operandi.

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                  • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                    You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

                    There's just one problem.

                    The US never ratified that treaty.

                    ninestonesclose@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @theleftistlawyer the government of the USA of A making up shit as they go along, shoot from the hip, yee haw … dumbasses … doesn’t Israel tell the USA what to do now anyway?

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                    • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                      You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

                      There's just one problem.

                      The US never ratified that treaty.

                      clayfoot@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @theleftistlawyer the USA could seek redress at the International Court of Justice (ICJ), if it had not withdrawn from ICJ compulsory jurisdiction in 1986

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                      • nmba@mstdn.caN nmba@mstdn.ca

                        @theleftistlawyer
                        Any country that has failed to sign up to the International Criminal Court should have no standing in international law.

                        the_wub@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @NMBA @theleftistlawyerd So I guess it is up to Canada to invade the US and depose the illegal government that has been claiming legitimacy the last eighteen months.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                          You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

                          There's just one problem.

                          The US never ratified that treaty.

                          dougiec3@libretooth.grD This user is from outside of this forum
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                          dougiec3@libretooth.gr
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                          @theleftistlawyer
                          It also withdrew pre-emptively from the International Criminal Court in 2002 when George W. Bush decided it was okay to torture Iraqi prisoners of war.

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                          • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                            You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

                            There's just one problem.

                            The US never ratified that treaty.

                            tkissing@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @theleftistlawyer "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Frank Wilhoit

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                            • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                              You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

                              There's just one problem.

                              The US never ratified that treaty.

                              infoseepage@mastodon.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @theleftistlawyer And neither did Iran or Israel. Israel never even signed.

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                              • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

                                You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

                                There's just one problem.

                                The US never ratified that treaty.

                                infoseepage@mastodon.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @theleftistlawyer For those that are interested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea

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                                • benhm3@saint-paul.usB benhm3@saint-paul.us

                                  @theleftistlawyer

                                  Right, legally, one can’t close the airspace over one’s house by firing a machine gun into the air.

                                  There’s the itty bitty matter of getting one to stop once they start.

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                                  @BenHM3 @theleftistlawyer The Strait is narrow enough to be Iranian territorial waters, as well as Oman on the other side. As I understand it Oman signed a treaty that Iran did not sign.

                                  The whole concept of territorial waters, the traditional six-mile limit, came from how far one could shoot a cannon from a shore fort.

                                  International law tends to conform to physical reality since there is no 911 to call when your neighbor pisses on your lawn.

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                                  • ninestonesclose@mastodon.socialN ninestonesclose@mastodon.social

                                    @theleftistlawyer the government of the USA of A making up shit as they go along, shoot from the hip, yee haw … dumbasses … doesn’t Israel tell the USA what to do now anyway?

                                    ahltorp@mastodon.nuA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @NineStonesClose @theleftistlawyer If you mean ”Israel controls the US”, that’s a classic antisemitic propaganda trope. If you mean ”Trump does what the last person he spoke to said”, that’s probably true.

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                                    • ahltorp@mastodon.nuA ahltorp@mastodon.nu

                                      @NineStonesClose @theleftistlawyer If you mean ”Israel controls the US”, that’s a classic antisemitic propaganda trope. If you mean ”Trump does what the last person he spoke to said”, that’s probably true.

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                                      @ahltorp @theleftistlawyer antisemitism is often used as an excuse by the uneducated and the politicians to shout down anything said these days against the current genocidal expansionist Israeli state. You maybe need to read some books about what antisemitism actually means.

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                                      • ninestonesclose@mastodon.socialN ninestonesclose@mastodon.social

                                        @ahltorp @theleftistlawyer antisemitism is often used as an excuse by the uneducated and the politicians to shout down anything said these days against the current genocidal expansionist Israeli state. You maybe need to read some books about what antisemitism actually means.

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                                        @NineStonesClose @theleftistlawyer What I wrote was that it’s a ”classic antisemitic propaganda trope”. It’s dangerously close to what some people are saying that’s actually antisemitic, so please tread carefully.

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                                        • ahltorp@mastodon.nuA ahltorp@mastodon.nu

                                          @NineStonesClose @theleftistlawyer What I wrote was that it’s a ”classic antisemitic propaganda trope”. It’s dangerously close to what some people are saying that’s actually antisemitic, so please tread carefully.

                                          ahltorp@mastodon.nuA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @NineStonesClose @theleftistlawyer Example: https://tldr.nettime.org/@rasmusfleischer/116255229245842899

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