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  • yvan@toot.ale.gdY yvan@toot.ale.gd

    @Kristine aren't caffeine and anxiety the same thing? πŸ˜…

    (He types as he anxiously sips his essential morning coffee.)

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    @yvan coffee makes you more sensitive to dopamine. Caffeine induces anxiety by blocking adenosine and triggering adrenaline. Anxiety is the lack of dopamine .. so, where in the pathway do we start and what drives us/you β˜•β˜• add some chocolate to drive dopamine now that your coffee made you more sensitive to it.

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    • kristine@theforkiverse.comK kristine@theforkiverse.com

      Your personal energy source is:
      #poll #life #energy

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      @Kristine All of the above?

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      • kristine@theforkiverse.comK kristine@theforkiverse.com

        @yvan coffee makes you more sensitive to dopamine. Caffeine induces anxiety by blocking adenosine and triggering adrenaline. Anxiety is the lack of dopamine .. so, where in the pathway do we start and what drives us/you β˜•β˜• add some chocolate to drive dopamine now that your coffee made you more sensitive to it.

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        @Kristine good plan!

        For me it's the anxiety at the roots, I can run off nothing but it*, even skipping the coffee. (So that's what I voted.)

        * need it even, but not too much... as then I get wedged. It's all about balancing the anxiety.

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        • kristine@theforkiverse.comK kristine@theforkiverse.com

          @avuko so your curiosity is rewarded

          I understood caffeine was more a plant defence mechanism to kill off insects. A substance we have modeled in drinks to benefit us by prohibiting the feeling of tiredness. I need to look up the mechanisms...

          These options are not all biochemical, and not all related to self-awareness or psychology. They are for sure not mutually exclusive. Which makes the poll flawed and fun

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          @Kristine Welcome to the wonderful world of methylxanthines!

          I recently went pretty far down this rabbit hole (dopamine driven research into dopamine ) wondering what the felt difference between tea and coffee was.

          Caffeine is indeed a natural insecticide. Maybe caffeine messes with their nervous system as well?

          What I found is that caffeine is the same substance in coffee and tea, but tea also has other methylxanthines (theobromine which is also in cacao, and theophylline) with different effects. Tea also has other chemicals which influence the caffeine uptake.

          Anyway, have fun, there's much to explore there!

          End of #InfoDump

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          • avuko@infosec.exchangeA avuko@infosec.exchange

            @Kristine Welcome to the wonderful world of methylxanthines!

            I recently went pretty far down this rabbit hole (dopamine driven research into dopamine ) wondering what the felt difference between tea and coffee was.

            Caffeine is indeed a natural insecticide. Maybe caffeine messes with their nervous system as well?

            What I found is that caffeine is the same substance in coffee and tea, but tea also has other methylxanthines (theobromine which is also in cacao, and theophylline) with different effects. Tea also has other chemicals which influence the caffeine uptake.

            Anyway, have fun, there's much to explore there!

            End of #InfoDump

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            @avuko there's at least a few bachelor degrees hidden here, maybe a PhD or two. I'll volunteer to be the coffee consumption case study. Add chocolate to get that theobromine (indeed, we do not touch tea unless there is really no other option). Then we see the anxiety side effect of all of this, and the spiral into more coffee and chocolate. Such is life. Thanks for the info dump. Appreciated any day. It was indeed some of that rabbit hole that sparked the poll idea in the first place.

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            • kristine@theforkiverse.comK kristine@theforkiverse.com

              @yvan coffee makes you more sensitive to dopamine. Caffeine induces anxiety by blocking adenosine and triggering adrenaline. Anxiety is the lack of dopamine .. so, where in the pathway do we start and what drives us/you β˜•β˜• add some chocolate to drive dopamine now that your coffee made you more sensitive to it.

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              @Kristine @yvan not sure if I understand. Are you saying that if coffee makes me anxious, I should have coffee AND add chocolate? Would that let me be more productive and less anxious after my second cup of coffee?

              Asking because I used to drink lots of coffee, but at some point I had to limit my intake. It started making me more anxious than productive.

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              • kristine@theforkiverse.comK kristine@theforkiverse.com

                Your personal energy source is:
                #poll #life #energy

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                @Kristine energy? In this economy?

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                • rogerparkinson@mastodon.nzR rogerparkinson@mastodon.nz

                  @Kristine energy? In this economy?

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                  @rogerparkinson point taken. I think regardless of circumstances there are some key neurochemical substances that makes us tick, they are triggered by both happiness and lack of such, internal and external approval pathways. I agree that if circumstances change, like economy, politics or other items out of your control, the drive into those pathways may change. Like the desire to correct and comment on what could have been done differently, or the external driven anxiety. So yes, also today..

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                  • mewbassprr@mas.toM mewbassprr@mas.to

                    @Kristine @yvan not sure if I understand. Are you saying that if coffee makes me anxious, I should have coffee AND add chocolate? Would that let me be more productive and less anxious after my second cup of coffee?

                    Asking because I used to drink lots of coffee, but at some point I had to limit my intake. It started making me more anxious than productive.

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                    @mewbassprr I don't think I should give advise on substance use πŸ€£πŸ˜… as mentioned above, these are all part of the same xanthine family, that all drive, stimulate, sensitive or blocks pathways related to reward, anxiety, tiredness, productivity. It's probably best I don't paraphrase the whole rabbit hole.. I think you can find your stimulants cocktail that works. If too much anxiety, indeed stop or change mixture. A blinded experiment is advised. Good luck πŸ₯³πŸ¦Έβ€β™€οΈπŸ’―

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                    • kristine@theforkiverse.comK kristine@theforkiverse.com

                      Your personal energy source is:
                      #poll #life #energy

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                      @Kristine These are by no means exclusive choices.

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                      • kbm0@mastodon.socialK kbm0@mastodon.social

                        @Kristine These are by no means exclusive choices.

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                        @kbm0 indeed.

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                        • kbm0@mastodon.socialK kbm0@mastodon.social

                          @Kristine These are by no means exclusive choices.

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                          @kbm0 they are actually all the same. However, different focus on pathway entry and or combination of factors to trigger same or related systems. And that was the plan. What's your key driver?

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                          • kristine@theforkiverse.comK kristine@theforkiverse.com

                            Your personal energy source is:
                            #poll #life #energy

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                            @Kristine

                            Running off anx is fine (FAVO...) until you run right off the end and yr body nopes out. Then it's really not fine.

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                              @PhilWill quite deliberately

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                              • kristine@theforkiverse.comK kristine@theforkiverse.com

                                @kbm0 they are actually all the same. However, different focus on pathway entry and or combination of factors to trigger same or related systems. And that was the plan. What's your key driver?

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                                @Kristine Anxiety. I've had to cut down the coffee in recent years.

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                                  @miguelpergamon that's s valid point of view. That I disagree with in this case as part of the poll is also to have to take a stance. The options today are also not at all mutually exclusive. The only compromise offered is to not vote and make your Other comment/argument here. Thanks! @evan has an amazing FAQ related to polls that is his FAQ or position on polls but that I largely agree with and can be used as guidance in most polls I think https://evanp.me/pollfaq/

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                                  • kristine@theforkiverse.comK kristine@theforkiverse.com

                                    Your personal energy source is:
                                    #poll #life #energy

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                                    @Kristine
                                    I never drank coffee until a few years ago when I discovered it helped metabolise pain killers and thus joined ranks in the battle against migraines.

                                    My normal fuel is carbs. Toast, pasta, sandwiches, poptarts, croissants, bring it on. I suppose that becomes glucose which in turn triggers dopamine so that's how I voted.

                                    On the spite front, I knew a guy who kept a "told you so" folder from when he warned management not to take a given course of action, so he could remind them later.

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                                    • kristine@theforkiverse.comK kristine@theforkiverse.com

                                      Your personal energy source is:
                                      #poll #life #energy

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                                      @Kristine all of the above

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                                      • kristine@theforkiverse.comK kristine@theforkiverse.com

                                        Your personal energy source is:
                                        #poll #life #energy

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                                        @Kristine
                                        Guilt and shame. Self-reinforcing, while the system supports it; however, that is less and less the case.

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                                          @miguelpergamon @evan hah! Thanks! Indeed. So then we took the opportunity to educate the others. Appreciated πŸ‘

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