Your personal energy source is:#poll #life #energy
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It's dopamine (see also: caffeine).
I don't recognize the approval mechanism myself.For me it is that small hit when I think of/experience something new.
@avuko so your curiosity is rewarded
I understood caffeine was more a plant defence mechanism to kill off insects. A substance we have modeled in drinks to benefit us by prohibiting the feeling of tiredness. I need to look up the mechanisms...
These options are not all biochemical, and not all related to self-awareness or psychology. They are for sure not mutually exclusive. Which makes the poll flawed and fun
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@Kristine @davidgerard all of the above
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@Kristine @davidgerard all of the above
@brezelradar @davidgerard yep. All dopamine related in different shapes/forms/pathways
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@Kristine@theforkiverse.com all of the above
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@Kristine aren't caffeine and anxiety the same thing?
(He types as he anxiously sips his essential morning coffee.)
@yvan coffee makes you more sensitive to dopamine. Caffeine induces anxiety by blocking adenosine and triggering adrenaline. Anxiety is the lack of dopamine .. so, where in the pathway do we start and what drives us/you
add some chocolate to drive dopamine now that your coffee made you more sensitive to it. -
@Kristine All of the above?
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@yvan coffee makes you more sensitive to dopamine. Caffeine induces anxiety by blocking adenosine and triggering adrenaline. Anxiety is the lack of dopamine .. so, where in the pathway do we start and what drives us/you
add some chocolate to drive dopamine now that your coffee made you more sensitive to it.@Kristine good plan!
For me it's the anxiety at the roots, I can run off nothing but it*, even skipping the coffee. (So that's what I voted.)
* need it even, but not too much... as then I get wedged. It's all about balancing the anxiety.
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@avuko so your curiosity is rewarded
I understood caffeine was more a plant defence mechanism to kill off insects. A substance we have modeled in drinks to benefit us by prohibiting the feeling of tiredness. I need to look up the mechanisms...
These options are not all biochemical, and not all related to self-awareness or psychology. They are for sure not mutually exclusive. Which makes the poll flawed and fun
@Kristine Welcome to the wonderful world of methylxanthines!
I recently went pretty far down this rabbit hole (dopamine driven research into dopamine
) wondering what the felt difference between tea and coffee was.Caffeine is indeed a natural insecticide. Maybe caffeine messes with their nervous system as well?
What I found is that caffeine is the same substance in coffee and tea, but tea also has other methylxanthines (theobromine which is also in cacao, and theophylline) with different effects. Tea also has other chemicals which influence the caffeine uptake.
Anyway, have fun, there's much to explore there!
End of #InfoDump
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@Kristine Welcome to the wonderful world of methylxanthines!
I recently went pretty far down this rabbit hole (dopamine driven research into dopamine
) wondering what the felt difference between tea and coffee was.Caffeine is indeed a natural insecticide. Maybe caffeine messes with their nervous system as well?
What I found is that caffeine is the same substance in coffee and tea, but tea also has other methylxanthines (theobromine which is also in cacao, and theophylline) with different effects. Tea also has other chemicals which influence the caffeine uptake.
Anyway, have fun, there's much to explore there!
End of #InfoDump
@avuko there's at least a few bachelor degrees hidden here, maybe a PhD or two. I'll volunteer to be the coffee consumption case study. Add chocolate to get that theobromine (indeed, we do not touch tea unless there is really no other option). Then we see the anxiety side effect of all of this, and the spiral into more coffee and chocolate. Such is life. Thanks for the info dump. Appreciated any day. It was indeed some of that rabbit hole that sparked the poll idea in the first place.
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R relay@relay.publicsquare.global shared this topic
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@yvan coffee makes you more sensitive to dopamine. Caffeine induces anxiety by blocking adenosine and triggering adrenaline. Anxiety is the lack of dopamine .. so, where in the pathway do we start and what drives us/you
add some chocolate to drive dopamine now that your coffee made you more sensitive to it.@Kristine @yvan not sure if I understand. Are you saying that if coffee makes me anxious, I should have coffee AND add chocolate? Would that let me be more productive and less anxious after my second cup of coffee?
Asking because I used to drink lots of coffee, but at some point I had to limit my intake. It started making me more anxious than productive.
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@Kristine energy? In this economy?
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@Kristine energy? In this economy?
@rogerparkinson point taken. I think regardless of circumstances there are some key neurochemical substances that makes us tick, they are triggered by both happiness and lack of such, internal and external approval pathways. I agree that if circumstances change, like economy, politics or other items out of your control, the drive into those pathways may change. Like the desire to correct and comment on what could have been done differently, or the external driven anxiety. So yes, also today..
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@Kristine @yvan not sure if I understand. Are you saying that if coffee makes me anxious, I should have coffee AND add chocolate? Would that let me be more productive and less anxious after my second cup of coffee?
Asking because I used to drink lots of coffee, but at some point I had to limit my intake. It started making me more anxious than productive.
@mewbassprr I don't think I should give advise on substance use
as mentioned above, these are all part of the same xanthine family, that all drive, stimulate, sensitive or blocks pathways related to reward, anxiety, tiredness, productivity. It's probably best I don't paraphrase the whole rabbit hole.. I think you can find your stimulants cocktail that works. If too much anxiety, indeed stop or change mixture. A blinded experiment is advised. Good luck 🥳🦸
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@Kristine These are by no means exclusive choices.
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@Kristine These are by no means exclusive choices.
@kbm0 indeed.
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@Kristine These are by no means exclusive choices.
@kbm0 they are actually all the same. However, different focus on pathway entry and or combination of factors to trigger same or related systems. And that was the plan. What's your key driver?
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Running off anx is fine (FAVO...) until you run right off the end and yr body nopes out. Then it's really not fine.
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@PhilWill quite deliberately
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@kbm0 they are actually all the same. However, different focus on pathway entry and or combination of factors to trigger same or related systems. And that was the plan. What's your key driver?
@Kristine Anxiety. I've had to cut down the coffee in recent years.
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@miguelpergamon that's s valid point of view. That I disagree with in this case as part of the poll is also to have to take a stance. The options today are also not at all mutually exclusive. The only compromise offered is to not vote and make your Other comment/argument here. Thanks! @evan has an amazing FAQ related to polls that is his FAQ or position on polls but that I largely agree with and can be used as guidance in most polls I think https://evanp.me/pollfaq/
