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  3. Loads of chat and even discourse about so-called AI literacy, but I don't think most realise you need to teach things from quite a few angles and zoomed out.

Loads of chat and even discourse about so-called AI literacy, but I don't think most realise you need to teach things from quite a few angles and zoomed out.

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  • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

    For older learners, yes there are important steps to take including self-reflection such as in this work with @abebab — self-critical AI literacy:

    Birhane, A. & Guest, O. (2021). Towards Decolonising Computational Sciences. Women, Gender & Research. https://doi.org/10.7146/kkf.v29i2.124899

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    Also another thing for teachers of programming is this — think about how, who, and what you teach and why to and whom. Women like computers too:

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    Attached: 4 images Excited to share this short & sweet article I wrote with @samhforbes! Teaching coding inclusively: if this, then what? https://doi.org/10.31235/osf.io/3r2ez The title perhaps says it all; we show through arguments and examples what women experience in programming class and what to do to remedy it.

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    • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

      Also another thing for teachers of programming is this — think about how, who, and what you teach and why to and whom. Women like computers too:

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      Attached: 4 images Excited to share this short & sweet article I wrote with @samhforbes! Teaching coding inclusively: if this, then what? https://doi.org/10.31235/osf.io/3r2ez The title perhaps says it all; we show through arguments and examples what women experience in programming class and what to do to remedy it.

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      respecting expertise, and I mean all kinds, is something that degrades significantly under rising fascism... so many depressing and war crime/crimes against humanity-related examples in/from the USA lately https://scholar.social/@olivia/116357060362504588

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      • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

        respecting expertise, and I mean all kinds, is something that degrades significantly under rising fascism... so many depressing and war crime/crimes against humanity-related examples in/from the USA lately https://scholar.social/@olivia/116357060362504588

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        it's also happening WITHIN science, e.g. https://scholar.social/@olivia/115315385419626564

        notice how we say:

        > assuming the mantle of the non-expert is innapropriate

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        • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

          it's also happening WITHIN science, e.g. https://scholar.social/@olivia/115315385419626564

          notice how we say:

          > assuming the mantle of the non-expert is innapropriate

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          also for academics, they need to take certain facts seriously on LLMs:

          1️⃣ LLMs are usefully seen as lossy content-addressable systems

          2️⃣ we can't automatically detect plagiarism

          3️⃣ LLMs automate plagiarism & paper mills

          4️⃣ we must protect literature from pollution

          5️⃣ LLM use is a CoI

          6️⃣ prompts do not cause output in authorial sense

          https://doi.org/10.31234/osf.io/dkrgj_v1

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          • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

            also for academics, they need to take certain facts seriously on LLMs:

            1️⃣ LLMs are usefully seen as lossy content-addressable systems

            2️⃣ we can't automatically detect plagiarism

            3️⃣ LLMs automate plagiarism & paper mills

            4️⃣ we must protect literature from pollution

            5️⃣ LLM use is a CoI

            6️⃣ prompts do not cause output in authorial sense

            https://doi.org/10.31234/osf.io/dkrgj_v1

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            Some of critical AI literacy is to say "did you know we can do science without so much interpersonal and structural harm?"

            The actual best source for all of this is Isabelle Stengers — and NO it's not just about slowing down and she in fact critiques that strongly in her book:

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            • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

              Some of critical AI literacy is to say "did you know we can do science without so much interpersonal and structural harm?"

              The actual best source for all of this is Isabelle Stengers — and NO it's not just about slowing down and she in fact critiques that strongly in her book:

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              Slow science is centred on RECLAIMING the present to save the future from foreclosure, another thing AI fascists require. We push back against this fully because for all but fascists it's existential: we want to survive in the here and now and not destroy the planet, etc.

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              Attached: 2 images We end on "Machine Yearning for a Better Present" because why can't we dream? Why accept that universities are not places of learning? Nothing, except industry and their paid shills amongst us, force us to accept this & this force is not one of reason, but one of regressive values & profit. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17065099 10/n

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              • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

                Slow science is centred on RECLAIMING the present to save the future from foreclosure, another thing AI fascists require. We push back against this fully because for all but fascists it's existential: we want to survive in the here and now and not destroy the planet, etc.

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                Attached: 2 images We end on "Machine Yearning for a Better Present" because why can't we dream? Why accept that universities are not places of learning? Nothing, except industry and their paid shills amongst us, force us to accept this & this force is not one of reason, but one of regressive values & profit. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17065099 10/n

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                Slow science also lets you do your work in peace so the excuse of "forgetting" to cite women is out the window...

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                Attached: 1 image I wrote something (not directly about AI) on cryptogyny — sorry still depressing, BUT ☺️ I do end on actionable things and some fun examples along the way, such as "Comparing [the 108 women scholars until 1800] with 58,995 [men], we find that they were on average better"‼️ https://olivia.science/cryptogyny

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                • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

                  Slow science also lets you do your work in peace so the excuse of "forgetting" to cite women is out the window...

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                  Attached: 1 image I wrote something (not directly about AI) on cryptogyny — sorry still depressing, BUT ☺️ I do end on actionable things and some fun examples along the way, such as "Comparing [the 108 women scholars until 1800] with 58,995 [men], we find that they were on average better"‼️ https://olivia.science/cryptogyny

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                  Which of course by the way OF COURSE is no excuse at all, but a systematic exclusion — mutatis mutandis for people of colour and more — cryptogyny, the hiding of women's contributions to science, technology, engineering, and medicine:

                  "although three men received the Nobel Prize for penicillin, women participated significantly in the team effort that brought the drug to medical usefulness."

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                    Which of course by the way OF COURSE is no excuse at all, but a systematic exclusion — mutatis mutandis for people of colour and more — cryptogyny, the hiding of women's contributions to science, technology, engineering, and medicine:

                    "although three men received the Nobel Prize for penicillin, women participated significantly in the team effort that brought the drug to medical usefulness."

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                    anyway ending on Ada since she started Critical AI Literacy in the 1840s

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                    Attached: 2 images "The Analytical Engine has no pretensions whatever to originate any thing. It can do whatever we know how to order it to perform. It [cannot] anticipat[e] any analytical relations or truths. Its province is to assist us in making available what we are already acquainted with." — Ada Lovelace, 1843 https://archive.org/details/adaenchantressof00tool/page/n191/mode/2up

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                    • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

                      RE: https://scholar.social/@olivia/116357032470708831

                      Loads of chat and even discourse about so-called AI literacy, but I don't think most realise you need to teach things from quite a few angles and zoomed out.

                      If people want to just know how the models work, that's not always possible without a much wider base anyway...

                      Our offering below:

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                      Wow!, thank you very much @olivia & colleagues for this amazing work.

                      I don't have words to express my gratitude. I'm trying to educate myself on this matter so I can pass through all what I learn to folks I work with and other that are less inclined to use "tech".

                      And very often I can't find the right words to express why or how a lot of our IT assumptions are based on false premises and propaganda.

                      Your work, folks, throw a lot of light on all this matters. Again: thank you very much!

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                      • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

                        also for academics, they need to take certain facts seriously on LLMs:

                        1️⃣ LLMs are usefully seen as lossy content-addressable systems

                        2️⃣ we can't automatically detect plagiarism

                        3️⃣ LLMs automate plagiarism & paper mills

                        4️⃣ we must protect literature from pollution

                        5️⃣ LLM use is a CoI

                        6️⃣ prompts do not cause output in authorial sense

                        https://doi.org/10.31234/osf.io/dkrgj_v1

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                        @olivia

                        > 5️⃣ LLM use is a CoI

                        What is a "CoI"? Is there some part of a word missing?

                        Thanks for the thread. You raised some important points.

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                        • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

                          Slow science also lets you do your work in peace so the excuse of "forgetting" to cite women is out the window...

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                          Attached: 1 image I wrote something (not directly about AI) on cryptogyny — sorry still depressing, BUT ☺️ I do end on actionable things and some fun examples along the way, such as "Comparing [the 108 women scholars until 1800] with 58,995 [men], we find that they were on average better"‼️ https://olivia.science/cryptogyny

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                          @olivia cryptogyny is an interesting word! is there a similarly pithy name for the process of pushing women out?

                          you mention great man theorizing, whereby popular retellings obscure or reattribute contributions to the target of the story; i had an experience this weekend that made me think of other emergent behaviour…

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                          • f_spin@mastodon.socialF f_spin@mastodon.social

                            Wow!, thank you very much @olivia & colleagues for this amazing work.

                            I don't have words to express my gratitude. I'm trying to educate myself on this matter so I can pass through all what I learn to folks I work with and other that are less inclined to use "tech".

                            And very often I can't find the right words to express why or how a lot of our IT assumptions are based on false premises and propaganda.

                            Your work, folks, throw a lot of light on all this matters. Again: thank you very much!

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                            @f_spin you're super welcome!

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                            • phillmv@hachyderm.ioP phillmv@hachyderm.io

                              @olivia cryptogyny is an interesting word! is there a similarly pithy name for the process of pushing women out?

                              you mention great man theorizing, whereby popular retellings obscure or reattribute contributions to the target of the story; i had an experience this weekend that made me think of other emergent behaviour…

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                              @olivia (bear with me here) at queer dance parties i’ve been to, gay guys like to dance near other gay guys, and once a critical mass forms they exert a gravitational pull that draws in more gay guys like a horny black hole

                              but in trying to be near men in the process they push out the women, who don’t tend to like to rub up against each other in quite the same way

                              so women often end up relegated to the back of the dancefloor, to say nothing how there’s fewer of us at events in general

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                                @olivia (bear with me here) at queer dance parties i’ve been to, gay guys like to dance near other gay guys, and once a critical mass forms they exert a gravitational pull that draws in more gay guys like a horny black hole

                                but in trying to be near men in the process they push out the women, who don’t tend to like to rub up against each other in quite the same way

                                so women often end up relegated to the back of the dancefloor, to say nothing how there’s fewer of us at events in general

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                                @olivia my observation here is, charitably, the gay guys aren’t *trying* to push out women; their goal is to be near the other men

                                they are i think definitely *careless* — they don’t care that they’re pushing me away and that i find them repellant.

                                and it’s just made me think of other ways in which these dynamics are replicated, among men writ large, in systematic ways. have a nice day!

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                                  @olivia my observation here is, charitably, the gay guys aren’t *trying* to push out women; their goal is to be near the other men

                                  they are i think definitely *careless* — they don’t care that they’re pushing me away and that i find them repellant.

                                  and it’s just made me think of other ways in which these dynamics are replicated, among men writ large, in systematic ways. have a nice day!

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                                  @phillmv pushing people out might be "leaky pipeline" but it has more problems/baggage than cryptogyny / Mathilda effect

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                                    @olivia

                                    > 5️⃣ LLM use is a CoI

                                    What is a "CoI"? Is there some part of a word missing?

                                    Thanks for the thread. You raised some important points.

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                                    @luminos conflict of interest

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                                    • olivia@scholar.socialO olivia@scholar.social

                                      Slow science is centred on RECLAIMING the present to save the future from foreclosure, another thing AI fascists require. We push back against this fully because for all but fascists it's existential: we want to survive in the here and now and not destroy the planet, etc.

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                                      Attached: 2 images We end on "Machine Yearning for a Better Present" because why can't we dream? Why accept that universities are not places of learning? Nothing, except industry and their paid shills amongst us, force us to accept this & this force is not one of reason, but one of regressive values & profit. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17065099 10/n

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                                      @olivia Excited to read this.
                                      I’ve been working on an editorial with a colleague on fast and slow science. I edit an ed tech learning g journal which, as you might imagine, has been inundated with loads of crap with people rushing to get stuff published but doing terrible research and often straying far from their lane of expertise, so repeating all kinds of historical mistakes. It’s a lot of mess to clean up.

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