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Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike.

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  • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

    Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

    For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

    When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

    Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

    Decentralization still runs on invoices.

    Support your instances.

    #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

    olliestudio45@theforkiverse.comO This user is from outside of this forum
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    olliestudio45@theforkiverse.com
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    #6

    @jeff Are these price points reasonable or are people getting ripped off? How much would it cost to run your own server?

    jeff@mainely.socialJ skrlet13@sc.skrlet13.xyzS 2 Replies Last reply
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    • olliestudio45@theforkiverse.comO olliestudio45@theforkiverse.com

      @jeff Are these price points reasonable or are people getting ripped off? How much would it cost to run your own server?

      jeff@mainely.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #7

      @olliestudio45

      Given the economics of RAM at the moment I don't think it's unreasonable... but it's going to push some smaller operators and instances out.

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      • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

        @olliestudio45

        Given the economics of RAM at the moment I don't think it's unreasonable... but it's going to push some smaller operators and instances out.

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        @jeff so time for the community to step up, as you say. Maybe also to consider community financed hosting services and… decentralised hosting would be a nice utopia

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        • olliestudio45@theforkiverse.comO olliestudio45@theforkiverse.com

          @jeff Are these price points reasonable or are people getting ripped off? How much would it cost to run your own server?

          skrlet13@sc.skrlet13.xyzS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #9

          @olliestudio45
          Can't know with that screenshot only, I'd need to see the hardware. Running your own at home could be cheaper, but a lot of times is unreliable or impossible bc ISP network restrictions.
          @jeff

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          • olliestudio45@theforkiverse.comO olliestudio45@theforkiverse.com

            @jeff so time for the community to step up, as you say. Maybe also to consider community financed hosting services and… decentralised hosting would be a nice utopia

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            nikxxx@mastodon.social
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            #10

            @olliestudio45 @jeff It is enough for providers to start issuing IPv6 addresses.

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            • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

              Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

              For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

              When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

              Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

              Decentralization still runs on invoices.

              Support your instances.

              #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

              badrihippo@fosstodon.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
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              badrihippo@fosstodon.org
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              #11

              @jeff and don't forget to shower curses on all the #LLM and #DiffusionModel providers which made this happen (after you've donated to your local instance admins of course)

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              • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                Support your instances.

                #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                tyil@fedi.tyil.nlT This user is from outside of this forum
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                tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
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                #12

                @jeff@mainely.social

                from €49.99
                My brother in Allah what are you doing. A fedi instance doesn't require that heavy infrastructure, unless you're doing something horribly wrong.

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                • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                  Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                  For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                  When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                  Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                  Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                  Support your instances.

                  #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                  bebef@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  bebef@mastodon.social
                  wrote last edited by
                  #13

                  @jeff Moving to a different hoster is ... too simple? 🤔 Or why am I not reading "some may move to a more economically priced hoster"?

                  lizbian@chaos.socialL robotistry@mstdn.caR 2 Replies Last reply
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                  • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                    Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                    For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                    When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                    Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                    Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                    Support your instances.

                    #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                    edd___y@mstdn.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                    edd___y@mstdn.social
                    wrote last edited by
                    #14

                    @jeff OVH announced a similar price hike yesterday, so that's probably most european small and medium instances that are impacted now

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                    • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                      Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                      For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                      When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                      Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                      Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                      Support your instances.

                      #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                      e11bits@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      e11bits@mastodon.social
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                      #15

                      @jeff Just for reference the official announcement of the price adjustments:

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                      Hetzner Price Adjustment - Hetzner Docs

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                      (docs.hetzner.com)

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                      • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                        Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                        For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                        When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                        Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                        Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                        Support your instances.

                        #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                        claudius@darmstadt.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                        claudius@darmstadt.social
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                        #16

                        @jeff THIS.

                        Also: if you're like "hehe, I'm not on Hetzner", I've got a bridge to sell you.

                        Hetzner went there first, but every hosting company is looking down increased hardware and energy costs on top of increased system load because of AI-company crawlers.

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                        • bebef@mastodon.socialB bebef@mastodon.social

                          @jeff Moving to a different hoster is ... too simple? 🤔 Or why am I not reading "some may move to a more economically priced hoster"?

                          lizbian@chaos.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                          lizbian@chaos.social
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                          #17

                          @Bebef @jeff Hetzner isn't the only hoster which is increasing prices. I think Hetzner was just the first to communicate this decision. The reason behind it seems to be the RAM shortage induced by AI companies buying up all the supply.

                          Moving to cheaper providers will come with less quality (more downtime, worse support, ...). And I'm also pretty sure that US-based companies aren't an option for most instances.

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                          • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                            Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                            For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                            When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                            Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                            Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                            Support your instances.

                            #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                            mdione@en.osm.townM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #18

                            @jeff I wonder how much storage is media that nobody sees. Maybe it would be worth to add a delay in showing the media by only downloading whatever is actually seen. #Mastodon

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                            • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                              Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                              For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                              When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                              Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                              Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                              Support your instances.

                              #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                              mullana@chaos.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              mullana@chaos.social
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                              #19

                              @jeff
                              Thanks, AI. 😠

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                              • claudius@darmstadt.socialC claudius@darmstadt.social

                                @jeff THIS.

                                Also: if you're like "hehe, I'm not on Hetzner", I've got a bridge to sell you.

                                Hetzner went there first, but every hosting company is looking down increased hardware and energy costs on top of increased system load because of AI-company crawlers.

                                mainec@fromm.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #20

                                @claudius @jeff same applies to the folks with hardware and hosting in their basement/ kitchen/ wherever

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                                • mainec@fromm.socialM mainec@fromm.social

                                  @claudius @jeff same applies to the folks with hardware and hosting in their basement/ kitchen/ wherever

                                  claudius@darmstadt.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #21

                                  @mainec @jeff long-term: absolutely.

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                                  • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                                    Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                                    For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                                    When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                                    Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                                    Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                                    Support your instances.

                                    #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                                    zompetto@mastodon.artZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #22

                                    @jeff another way this shitty AI push is making the web worse for everyone

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                                    • zompetto@mastodon.artZ zompetto@mastodon.art

                                      @jeff another way this shitty AI push is making the web worse for everyone

                                      fritange@maly.ioF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #23

                                      @zompetto

                                      This is really going crazy. It became almost impossible to order a laptop with only 2 memory strips of 16GB to the main manufacturers (Dell, Lenovo, HPe)...

                                      @jeff

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                                      • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                                        Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                                        For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                                        When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                                        Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                                        Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                                        Support your instances.

                                        #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

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                                        woof@fedi.aria.dog
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                                        #24

                                        @jeff anyone who was somehow still hosting with them after their pulling the plug on fedi instances for false reports motivated by anti-lgbt hate had it coming

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                                        • jeff@mainely.socialJ jeff@mainely.social

                                          Hetzner, which many instances rely on, just announced a major across the board price hike. A 30% increase isn’t minor.

                                          For larger companies it’s a budget line. For small Mastodon instances, it’s the line between sustainable and underwater.

                                          When servers jump from €49.99 to €64.99 and storage rises too, admins feel it first. Many already subsidize costs.

                                          Some will downsize. Some may shut down.

                                          Decentralization still runs on invoices.

                                          Support your instances.

                                          #Mastoadmin #Hetzner

                                          kate@is.beeping.petK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #25
                                          @jeff Why would only mastodon admins suffer from this? Hosts of other fedi software should experience similar issues. ​​
                                          k4t3@comp.lain.laK 1 Reply Last reply
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