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The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".

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  • wesgeorge@mstdn.socialW wesgeorge@mstdn.social

    @tante There is a Laurie Anderson installation at the Hirschorn modern art museum in DC with this astute observation.

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    @wesgeorge @tante medtech can save lives, though. like, maybe not the creepy AI notetakers that every doc seems to be using out here now, but i would be dead or a completely different person if not for modern neuroscience and imaging technology

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
      A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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      @tante
      Like voting computers:
      Local municipality went for these some years ago because they’re, like, shiny and “digital” and supposidly save time.

      CCC (hacker’s association, ie: who everyone expected to be maximally excited about this) sued against these and had them found unconsitutional!

      Why? Well, the consitution requires the ballot process to be understande and comprehensible by lay persons so that there never can be a situation where a claims of the vote having been rigged are impossible to verify. (We’re talking about hard power interests here after all.)

      A vote conducted using a computer is not comprehensible by lay persons. Period.

      Nerds would often be like: “But, but we could use blinded tokens, we could use zero-knoweldge proofs. It be completely verifiable!”
      Yes, to like 2 people on Earth maybe!

      To proof it to everyone else we’d need a papertrail and verify that. An activity generally refered to as “counting the votes”...
      Might as well stick to that then.

      #tech #techethics

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
        A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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        @tante oh you mean we don’t need 400 calendar applications that work exactly the same and use the same standard but are front different companies and don’t interact well with each other? I’m appalled by your comment

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
          A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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          @tante yes

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
            A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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            @tante yeah feature creep is a big problem. Mostly caused because of capitalism IMO.

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
              A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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              @tante @SnoopJ “this SaaS could have been an email”

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              • c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.ioC c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

                @tante 100%, but also feels like a bit of a personal attack

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                @c0dec0dec0de @tante look, we each know what we did, and maybe we should just admit it

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                • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                  @tante @SnoopJ “this SaaS could have been an email”

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                  @glyph @tante "this DHCP server could have been RFC 2322"

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                  • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                    @glyph @tante "this DHCP server could have been RFC 2322"

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                    @SnoopJ @tante (me opening the bag labeled "RFC 2322")

                    I don't know what I expected

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                      A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                      @tante you can't go wrong with coffee, pen and paper.

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                      • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                        @glyph @tante "this DHCP server could have been RFC 2322"

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                        @SnoopJ @glyph @tante this ethernet cable could have been an avian carrier

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                          A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                          @tante Never automate anything before you have experience doing it manually.

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                          • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                            @glyph @tante "this DHCP server could have been RFC 2322"

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                            @SnoopJ @glyph @tante New and classic at the set time xD

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              The answer to problems in sociotechnical systems is not always "more software", "better software" or "open source software".
                              A lot of the time the best solution is _less software_ and sometimes even _no software_.

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                              @tante
                              If that's not a nail, why did you hire a guy with a hammer?

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                              • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                @glyph @tante "this DHCP server could have been RFC 2322"

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                                @SnoopJ @glyph @tante photo by @th. I was one of those who made that DHCP server

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                                • aburka@hachyderm.ioA aburka@hachyderm.io

                                  @SnoopJ @glyph @tante this ethernet cable could have been an avian carrier

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                                  @aburka What if the avian carrier has a string attached to its leg?

                                  @SnoopJ @glyph @tante

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                                  • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                    @glyph @tante "this DHCP server could have been RFC 2322"

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                                    @SnoopJ @glyph @tante #PegDHCP was peak #Autoconfig!

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                                    • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                      @SnoopJ @glyph @tante photo by @th. I was one of those who made that DHCP server

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                                      @quixoticgeek

                                      I love it! I want to share that image or something similar with attribution. Is there a link you'd recommend? If not, I'll share the image toot and your toot.

                                      @SnoopJ @glyph @tante @th

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                                      • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                        @SnoopJ @tante (me opening the bag labeled "RFC 2322")

                                        I don't know what I expected

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                                        @glyph @SnoopJ @tante No peg-dhcpv6?!

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                                        • lady_alys@hachyderm.ioL lady_alys@hachyderm.io

                                          @quixoticgeek

                                          I love it! I want to share that image or something similar with attribution. Is there a link you'd recommend? If not, I'll share the image toot and your toot.

                                          @SnoopJ @glyph @tante @th

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                                          @lady_alys @SnoopJ @glyph @tante my original photo is CC-BY-NC-SA https://www.flickr.com/photos/osr/38318347355/ although @quixoticgeek is the original rights holder of the actual printout.

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