"Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"
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@benroyce@mastodon.social @Npars01@mstdn.social @Tattered@social.vivaldi.net @roblosricos@mastodon.social Ah, these folk I was talking to, very much we ended up agreeing that what they saw as "good" and what we could agree was the reality, were not the same thing. This was probably 15-20 years ago, and even then things both in China and Russia were not anything like the promise (hm, nor were they 100 years ago from what I can tell).
@JigmeDatse @Npars01 @Tattered @roblosricos
china's rise is just abandonment of all of it's communist principles, embracing capitalism, but keeping the authoritarianism. that's a fucking nightmare, fuck all the shilling tankies and their lies about that
russia meanwhile is the straight simple tragedy of how rosy ideals are betrayed by sociopaths (ie, stalin)
and democracy fucking sucks
it's just that, there's no better option. we need to fix it
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"Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"
Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy
Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.
(www.bbc.com)
Yeah, fuck that
Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas
Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining
Fuck you India, Fuck you China
Fuck you all
All countries:
Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story
Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1
@benroyce If we in Europe don't send troops to fight Russians in Ukraine, the least we can do is to dump those shitty gas guzzling BMW/Mercedes SUVs.
It's such a small inconvenience and it's never been easier.
If European companies are unwilling to do the right thing, I'd rather we go all-in on EVs and solar panels from China than continue funding Russia.
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@mike805 You mention Russia as if anyone here had even the faintest impression that they are part of this discussion.
This is about bombing the shit out of Russia's oil infrastructure, not asking what *they* think about renewables.
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@mike805 You mention Russia as if anyone here had even the faintest impression that they are part of this discussion.
This is about bombing the shit out of Russia's oil infrastructure, not asking what *they* think about renewables.
@mike805 Let's move to renewables*
* so that Ukraine can continue to bomb Russia to pieces.
There's your 80pt asterisk.
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"Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"
Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy
Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.
(www.bbc.com)
Yeah, fuck that
Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas
Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining
Fuck you India, Fuck you China
Fuck you all
All countries:
Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story
Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1
@benroyce But they never reprimand Russia for blowing up Ukraine's energy infrastructure. That's, apparently, just normal.
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@mike805 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce
The damage to the climate is already expensive.
More so than not burning oil for heat and traction.Electrochemical nitrogen fixation is in early stages, and feeding the world may require fossil feedstock for a while yet. Alas.
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@mike805 You mention Russia as if anyone here had even the faintest impression that they are part of this discussion.
This is about bombing the shit out of Russia's oil infrastructure, not asking what *they* think about renewables.
@txtx @mike805 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce making their oil less valuable has an end effect akin to bombing bits of the infrastructure. Which among other things leaves the bombs available to direct to other deserving targets.
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@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01
I think it would be fair to say that we would agree that the Republican Party, or the UK Conservative Party, and the Murdoch press are working counter to the interests of the working people.
Capitalism exists everywhere. Social projects are the only way that socialist governments can operate *within* a capitalist economy, like the Uruguayan example. Xi’s domestic policies are socialist in much the same way.
Do I think Xi should be President for life? No.
Do I think he deserves credit for lifting millions of people out of poverty and for increasing commitment to renewable energy? Yes.I think I’d even praise DJT if he did these things. But we both know it’s a safe bet that he never would.
Do I trust the Chinese system to keep the working class safe under any leader? No (See the Cultural Revolution).
Do I trust capitalist parliamentarianism? Also no.I am, I hope, not entirely a fool.
I know we have differences of opinion. We also share many of the same hopes.
I think it’s important to celebrate gains that are made towards those goals, even in systems we cannot wholeheartedly support.
Do I trust Xi entirely? No.
Do I think he has done more good for the people of the world than DJT, Netanyahu, MBS, or Putin? Yes.@Tattered @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01
"Working people".
Let's consider those who do not yet work, those who did work, but retired, those who would but cannot work, those who would and could, but are not provided an opportunity, as well. -
@benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01 There are as many problems with democracy, as far as I can see.
No British Prime Minister has supported broad socialist policies since Wilson.
Democracies have been responsible for far more wars of aggression in my lifetime than autocracies.
European democracies are tending toward fascism, on a sliding scale from Orban to Macron deliberately obstructing the public choice of a socialist prime minister.
If we compare Xi with Obama, one of these leaders was engaged in overseas wars of aggression, in which he oversaw the use of drone warfare, with resultant civilian casualties. One of these leaders has also raised millions of his citizens out of abject poverty.
Democracy as an ideal is better than authoritarianism as an ideal. However, a number of fascist dictators have been installed by the democratic process, including Hitler. I live in a democracy that has had single-party rule for all but two short periods in its postwar history.
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@Tattered @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01
The worst possible system, except for all the others. -
@JigmeDatse @Npars01 @Tattered @roblosricos
china's rise is just abandonment of all of it's communist principles, embracing capitalism, but keeping the authoritarianism. that's a fucking nightmare, fuck all the shilling tankies and their lies about that
russia meanwhile is the straight simple tragedy of how rosy ideals are betrayed by sociopaths (ie, stalin)
and democracy fucking sucks
it's just that, there's no better option. we need to fix it
@benroyce
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@txtx @mike805 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce making their oil less valuable has an end effect akin to bombing bits of the infrastructure. Which among other things leaves the bombs available to direct to other deserving targets.
@Photo55 A blown up barrel of oil has a value of zero dollars, so I agree with you there!
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@Photo55 A blown up barrel of oil has a value of zero dollars, so I agree with you there!
@txtx
A barrel nobody wants is worth even less.
Demand destruction is tidier than supply destruction. -
Uruguay did what most nations still call impossible: it built a power grid that runs almost entirely on renewables—at half the cost of fossil fuels. The physicist who led that transformation says the same playbook could work anywhere—if governments have the courage to change the rules.
@ErikJonker een tip voor #Jetten
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@benroyce
China has a very long history.of course, as a culture
but we speak of "china" in this context in terms of it as a political entity, which only dates to 1949
and the shift that led to its embrace of capitalism and its economic rise is even more recent, 1978 and deng xiaoping
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@benroyce But they never reprimand Russia for blowing up Ukraine's energy infrastructure. That's, apparently, just normal.
and russia is aiming at apartment buildings
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@benroyce damn right, burn em to the ground! Could not believe trump regime ordered construction of wind farms shut down and even paid one developer $1B of our tax money to stop construction!
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@benroyce damn right, burn em to the ground! Could not believe trump regime ordered construction of wind farms shut down and even paid one developer $1B of our tax money to stop construction!
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@txtx
A barrel nobody wants is worth even less.
Demand destruction is tidier than supply destruction.@Photo55 Why not both?
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@Photo55 Why not both?
@txtx as a transitional state, it has some merit.
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of course, as a culture
but we speak of "china" in this context in terms of it as a political entity, which only dates to 1949
and the shift that led to its embrace of capitalism and its economic rise is even more recent, 1978 and deng xiaoping
@benroyce I suspect the Middle Kingdom hasn't gone away altogether, and a Middle Kingdom and outer barbarians implies an Inner Kingdom.
We still have bits of Rome under the Norman underlay, and the various seepages.
And it doesn't take me long to get to something from a long time before Rome came here, although how many cultural elements from then hang on. Footpaths and plantings do.
