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@AccordionBruce @catsalad The accordion displaced the bagpipes (in their many variants) across Europe, pushing them to the margins - mountain valleys (Appenines, Pyrenees) on the mainland or islands (Sardinia, Ireland. Scotland).
@sellathechemist @catsalad
Alan Lomax went to Europe in the 1950s to escape the McCarthy eraAnd he seems to have come back with a deep hatred of the Accordion
He called it a “pestiferous instrument”
And seemed to apply a generic filter based on the fact that it had chased around fiddle and bagpipe traditions in many parts of Europe
Not unearned. But not helpful
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@AccordionBruce @catsalad I thought the things pirates don't play were concertinas.
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@Owlor @catsalad
The origin-stories of traditions are some of my favourite thingsLike ~every~ tradition has to have been started by real live people just sitting around one day
The accordion is particularly interesting because it gained real global popularity after the 1860s or so
And recording started in the 1890s
So we have records of people who might have known the very first players of some “traditional” styles
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@sellathechemist @catsalad
Alan Lomax went to Europe in the 1950s to escape the McCarthy eraAnd he seems to have come back with a deep hatred of the Accordion
He called it a “pestiferous instrument”
And seemed to apply a generic filter based on the fact that it had chased around fiddle and bagpipe traditions in many parts of Europe
Not unearned. But not helpful
@AccordionBruce @sellathechemist @catsalad so that was after he recorded Lead Belly playing it ?
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@Owlor @catsalad
The origin-stories of traditions are some of my favourite thingsLike ~every~ tradition has to have been started by real live people just sitting around one day
The accordion is particularly interesting because it gained real global popularity after the 1860s or so
And recording started in the 1890s
So we have records of people who might have known the very first players of some “traditional” styles
@Owlor @catsalad
Folk glorious of the 1800s and early 1900s hated the squeezeboxesSo they never talked about them or recorded them or interviewed any of the players
So folklorists can’t do something similar to a comparative analysis of today’s research on the impact of the boombox 100 years later
Mostly it makes you conscious of the question of the historical origins of “authenticity” and how it was used as a sales-pitch, or simply nostalgic amnesia
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@Owlor @catsalad
Folk glorious of the 1800s and early 1900s hated the squeezeboxesSo they never talked about them or recorded them or interviewed any of the players
So folklorists can’t do something similar to a comparative analysis of today’s research on the impact of the boombox 100 years later
Mostly it makes you conscious of the question of the historical origins of “authenticity” and how it was used as a sales-pitch, or simply nostalgic amnesia
@Owlor @catsalad
So when I learned Bill Monroe invented #Bluegrass at the same time be-boppers invented modern #jazz…
🪕 But one music still projects as “modern” while the other has an aura that’s more and more antique and folkloric
Monroe’s mom played #accordion and was a really good fiddle player, and as far as I can tell, no interviewer ever asked him about that
(The key question? “What kind? And what repertoire?” Because a button accordion would’ve indicated an older tradition)
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@Cadbury_Moose @davidr @AccordionBruce @catsalad Thought you might enjoy reading about the Chinese one from an earlier millennium.
@Jeanniewarner @Cadbury_Moose @davidr @catsalad
You’re right!Outside my areas but seems like the great Pirate Queen Zheng Yi Sao might have had South East Asian free reeds (variants inspired early accordions) onboard
And they would likely/definitely have been around on shore
Now that’s a story to be told! 🪗
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@Jeanniewarner @Cadbury_Moose @davidr @catsalad
You’re right!Outside my areas but seems like the great Pirate Queen Zheng Yi Sao might have had South East Asian free reeds (variants inspired early accordions) onboard
And they would likely/definitely have been around on shore
Now that’s a story to be told! 🪗
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Yi_Sao@Jeanniewarner @Cadbury_Moose @davidr @catsalad
We were just talking about the Chinese sheng, mouth organ last week
https://mastodon.social/@AccordionBruce/116340900565911951Where I linked to an article but didn’t include the author’s name (making it hard to search up)
How the sheng became a harp,
by the very cool
Carmel RazSound Studies
An Interdisciplinary Journal
Volume 6, 2020 - Issue 2: Special Issue: Sonic Things: Knowledge Formation in Flux
https://doi.org/10.1080/20551940.2020.1794648Title refers to the harmonica mouth-harp not
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Tell me some thing blasphemous and/or sacrilegious
@catsalad since Mary birthed Jesus through partenogenesis, Jesus was probably a semi clone of Mary, wich means Jesus was either intersex or a woman or a quimera.
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@AccordionBruce @sellathechemist @catsalad so that was after he recorded Lead Belly playing it ?
@antares @sellathechemist @catsalad
There’s people who study just Lead Belly and I’m no expertBut I think Lead Belly’s only five known “windjammer” 🪗 recordings were made late in his life in the 40s by Mos Asch
They’re all on this set
https://folkways.si.edu/leadbellyNot sure he owned an accordion when Alan Lomax knew him
He’d picked one up again, maybe in nostalgia for the instrument he learned first back in 1909
Or because he thought it would sell records? Who knows? Nobody asked
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Tell me some thing blasphemous and/or sacrilegious
@catsalad Oh my dear Catsy, we found the christofascist AND homophobic mastodon.social moderator. I can't thank you enough! https://mastodon.social/@weezmgk/116356708412830751
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@antares @sellathechemist @catsalad
There’s people who study just Lead Belly and I’m no expertBut I think Lead Belly’s only five known “windjammer” 🪗 recordings were made late in his life in the 40s by Mos Asch
They’re all on this set
https://folkways.si.edu/leadbellyNot sure he owned an accordion when Alan Lomax knew him
He’d picked one up again, maybe in nostalgia for the instrument he learned first back in 1909
Or because he thought it would sell records? Who knows? Nobody asked
@antares @sellathechemist @catsalad
Ironically all the folklorists wanted to hear was his Mexican 12 string guitar, which wasn’t traditional at allThey never asked about his little “windjammer” button accordion
Or the Black square-dance tradition it was played for that dated back to before the Civil War
And that his accordion style predated his 12 string guitar, and blues guitar in general
But nobody knew or thought to ask
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@sellathechemist @catsalad
Alan Lomax went to Europe in the 1950s to escape the McCarthy eraAnd he seems to have come back with a deep hatred of the Accordion
He called it a “pestiferous instrument”
And seemed to apply a generic filter based on the fact that it had chased around fiddle and bagpipe traditions in many parts of Europe
Not unearned. But not helpful
@AccordionBruce @catsalad I loathed the accordion thanks to my parents. And then I discovered Astor Piazzolla’s writing for the bandoneon after buying a very cheap second hand CD of Gideon Kremer’s virtuoso band iut of curiosity. I was hooked. Then I found a cheap box set of all of Piazzolla playing/conducting. Libertango is just the tip of the iceberg.
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@sellathechemist @catsalad
Alan Lomax went to Europe in the 1950s to escape the McCarthy eraAnd he seems to have come back with a deep hatred of the Accordion
He called it a “pestiferous instrument”
And seemed to apply a generic filter based on the fact that it had chased around fiddle and bagpipe traditions in many parts of Europe
Not unearned. But not helpful
@AccordionBruce @catsalad By the way, where is the Alan Lomax archive? A producer friend introduced me to it when we were Hutu g for music for a radio programme…
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@catsalad@infosec.exchange this is what being lesbian is like
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@jpm So why didn't your poke at islam get a mastodon.social content strike but my swipe at chrstianity did? (see edit history on mine) https://mastodon.social/@weezmgk/116351355295067417@catsalad@infosec.exchange
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@jpm So why didn't your poke at islam get a mastodon.social content strike but my swipe at chrstianity did? (see edit history on mine) https://mastodon.social/@weezmgk/116351355295067417@catsalad@infosec.exchange
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@catsalad
Pirates never played accordions️
🪗 (Because they hadn’t been invented yet)
Accordions were invented during the 1800s Industrial Revolution at the same time as the telegraph, steam engine and the typewriter
100 years after the Golden Age of Piracy 1600s–1700s
So every pirate movie with an accordionist is a science fiction movie with a time-travel sub plot
️And those Pirates you mention also didn't sing shanties; because they hadn't been invented yet.
Shanties were the work songs of merchant seamen from approx. the late 1820s and reported to be dying out in the late 1870s.
So, a 19th century working-class culture hijacked into "Pirate" fantasy-land.
PS. also, no, not every song mentioning the sea or sailors is a shanty.
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@FurryBeta @pixmo @catsalad
Yeah, blocked and reported.@FritzAdalis @FurryBeta @pixmo @catsalad add me to this list please. Cats are pets for masochists who haven't discovered their kink yet.
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@antares @sellathechemist @catsalad
Ironically all the folklorists wanted to hear was his Mexican 12 string guitar, which wasn’t traditional at allThey never asked about his little “windjammer” button accordion
Or the Black square-dance tradition it was played for that dated back to before the Civil War
And that his accordion style predated his 12 string guitar, and blues guitar in general
But nobody knew or thought to ask
️@AccordionBruce @sellathechemist @catsalad ow thank you for the correction and details ! One of my late friend - who wasn't a huge fan of Lomax - always reminded me that Leadbelly played the accordion but we never had a real discussion about that, and I sloppily assumed the few known recordings were done by Lomax.
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