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People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump.

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    6/

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    • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

      6/

      These people fund sedition & coup attempts.

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      • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

        7/

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        8/

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        • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

          People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

          PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

          Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

          VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

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          #16

          @drahardja 👍💯👍

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          • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

            8/

            43. John & Shannon V. Addison $6,757,065
            44. Robert H. Book $6,986,387
            45. Susan Fox $6,687,414
            46. Patricia Perkins-Leone $6,606,600
            47. Jeffrey Hildebrand $6,508,389
            48. Bernard Marcus $9,397,150
            49. Steve Brodie $6,481,298
            50. Daniel Newlin $6,063,928
            51. Trevor D. Rees-Jones $5,765,124
            52. Ross & Sarah Perot $5,643,416
            53. Harold C. Simmons $5,596,530
            54. Kelly Navarro $5,373,100
            55. Alice Walton $10,248,000
            56. Rob Granieri $5,587,899

            Just a moment...

            favicon

            (www.opensecrets.org)

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            @Npars01
            Who are the biggest doners?
            @mastoreaderio unroll please

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            • cdarwin@c.imC cdarwin@c.im

              @Npars01
              Who are the biggest doners?
              @mastoreaderio unroll please

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              #18

              @cdarwin here's the unrolled thread: https://mastoreader.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc.im%2F%40cdarwin%2F116394673361342000

              Next time, kindly set the visibility to 'Mentioned people only' and mention only me (@mastoreaderio). This ensures we avoid spamming others' timelines and threads unless you intend for others to see the unrolled thread link as well.

              Thank you!

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              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

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                @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

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                • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                  @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

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                  @Emerson61 I will vote for Newsom if that’s the alternative I’m given.

                  Here’s my perspective: https://sfba.social/@drahardja/116377823558685082

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                  • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                    @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

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                    @Emerson61 @drahardja I would bet money (but not on Polymarkets) that Pritzker runs in 2028. But that doesn't really matter now. 2028 is far away. We should be focusing on the midterms and flipping as many R seats as possible.

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                    • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                      @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

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                      @Emerson61 @drahardja

                      Absurd. There will be a Democratic Primary. It will be riveting and get the entire nation fired up. The best candidate will win the nomination and crush the Republican candidate.

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                      • maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizzaM maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizza

                        @Emerson61 @drahardja I would bet money (but not on Polymarkets) that Pritzker runs in 2028. But that doesn't really matter now. 2028 is far away. We should be focusing on the midterms and flipping as many R seats as possible.

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                        @maccruiskeen @Emerson61 @drahardja

                        He will certainly run. We will see if he is any good. The best candidate will prevail. That's the way the primaries work.

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                        • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                          People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                          PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                          Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                          VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

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                          @drahardja first, good job to hungarian people! Second, if they can do it, then the US citizens can as well. Good luck for the 3rd November midterm elections!

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                          • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                            @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

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                            @Emerson61 @drahardja

                            Do you think TISZA has a democratic primary process??
                            TISZA gave party members the choice between three predetermined candidates in each district. (Just check their wikipedia site). The Democratic party in the USA is more democratic and open than that.

                            Also Newsom is to the left of Magyar (and I hate Newsom, he's awful).

                            And several leftist parties decided to not run at all in order to unify opposition votes in Hungary.

                            But some leftist US Americans would rather endlessly complain about Democrats' primary process without realizing how lucky you are because you actually do get to choose your candidates in primaries. That's not the standard everywhere!

                            Hungarian leftists were pragmatic instead of choosing perfection, that's how they got rid of Orbán.

                            #Hungary #USpol #Magyar #Newsom

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                            • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                              @Emerson61 I will vote for Newsom if that’s the alternative I’m given.

                              Here’s my perspective: https://sfba.social/@drahardja/116377823558685082

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                              @drahardja @Emerson61 And Newsom is a fine example of why the primaries are so very important because we really do not want that used car salesman.

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                              • mab_813@fedi.atM mab_813@fedi.at

                                @Emerson61 @drahardja

                                Do you think TISZA has a democratic primary process??
                                TISZA gave party members the choice between three predetermined candidates in each district. (Just check their wikipedia site). The Democratic party in the USA is more democratic and open than that.

                                Also Newsom is to the left of Magyar (and I hate Newsom, he's awful).

                                And several leftist parties decided to not run at all in order to unify opposition votes in Hungary.

                                But some leftist US Americans would rather endlessly complain about Democrats' primary process without realizing how lucky you are because you actually do get to choose your candidates in primaries. That's not the standard everywhere!

                                Hungarian leftists were pragmatic instead of choosing perfection, that's how they got rid of Orbán.

                                #Hungary #USpol #Magyar #Newsom

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                                @Mab_813 @Emerson61 @drahardja The disdain you have comes from not being present to watch how it happens in practice.

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                                • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                  People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                                  PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                                  Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                                  VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

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                                  @drahardja Voting would work in the US with an audit trail, requirement to count mail-in ballots, paper ballots instead of electronic, and giving everyone back their right to vote. Everyone, which is to say, including citizens with a felony conviction.

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                                  • linza@kamu.socialL linza@kamu.social

                                    @drahardja Voting would work in the US with an audit trail, requirement to count mail-in ballots, paper ballots instead of electronic, and giving everyone back their right to vote. Everyone, which is to say, including citizens with a felony conviction.

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                                    @drahardja All of these are achievable in a single cycle with the proper application of guillotine.

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                                    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                      People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                                      PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                                      Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                                      VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

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                                      @drahardja It's a great example that voting matters.
                                      If fewer people had showed up, I'm sure Orban would have been more reluctant to give up, if at all.

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                                      • linza@kamu.socialL linza@kamu.social

                                        @Mab_813 @Emerson61 @drahardja The disdain you have comes from not being present to watch how it happens in practice.

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                                        @Linza

                                        I don't think I understand your post. I have disdain for what?

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                                        • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                          People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                                          PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                                          Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                                          VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

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                                          @drahardja Orbàn put a heck of a lot of structural obstacles in the way to try and stay in power. Those kinds of structures are very difficult to establish in the US: the voting system is local, not centralised. I recommend for disenchanted Americans to vote like their lives depend on it to prevent further attempts by Trump and his cronies. Don't give up when you have power. Vote in all elections.

                                          (corrected typo)

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