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The remarks from the expert in this article, even as critical as they are, grossly understate just how foolish and messed up this is.

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  • rjblaskiewicz@mstdn.socialR rjblaskiewicz@mstdn.social

    @inthehands What tripe.

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    @rjblaskiewicz @inthehands
    It's just offal.

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    • gnate@ohai.socialG gnate@ohai.social

      @rjblaskiewicz @inthehands
      It's just offal.

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      @gnate @rjblaskiewicz
      Ha, nice. I am now going to start using the phrase “offal data” for this kind of thing

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      • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

        OK, I looked at it in slightly more detail, and yes, my OP is basically a correct summary of what they’re doing.

        Statistical Jesus wept.

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        @inthehands this is not the first time I've seen this. I recall someone making claims about how social media design choices influence user behavior based on a LLM simulation of social media.

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        • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

          OK, I looked at it in slightly more detail, and yes, my OP is basically a correct summary of what they’re doing.

          Statistical Jesus wept.

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          (The underlying logic here is that LLMs embed biases, so you take advantage of that fact by prompting an LLM to take on a spectrum of different demographic biases that correspond to population demographics, then ask the LLM a polling question in the context of each of those demographically weighted biases.

          So yeah, from my OP it might sound like they’re replacing polling with stabbing themselves in the face, but •actually• they’re juggling a bunch of knives and •then• stabbing themselves in the face.)

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          • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

            (The underlying logic here is that LLMs embed biases, so you take advantage of that fact by prompting an LLM to take on a spectrum of different demographic biases that correspond to population demographics, then ask the LLM a polling question in the context of each of those demographically weighted biases.

            So yeah, from my OP it might sound like they’re replacing polling with stabbing themselves in the face, but •actually• they’re juggling a bunch of knives and •then• stabbing themselves in the face.)

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            @inthehands emphasis on the through face stabbing

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            • wronglang@bayes.clubW wronglang@bayes.club

              @inthehands emphasis on the through face stabbing

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              @wronglang
              But see they juggled the knives first!

              They •juggled• them, Krzysztof

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              • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                I don’t know, perhaps I read too hastily and am misrepresenting what these people did. But at this point the nonsense is so severe I can believe it without even doing a double take

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                @inthehands they were never looking for a survey methodology, they were looking for a beard!

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                • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                  @wronglang
                  But see they juggled the knives first!

                  They •juggled• them, Krzysztof

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                  @inthehands that was so you couldn't tell if they were stabbing their own face or yours

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                  • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                    RE: https://flipboard.com/@futurism/futurism-1lupih3cz/-/a-hWRkyR9zQFuooBpWKGziAw%3Aa%3A1737388686-%2F0

                    The remarks from the expert in this article, even as critical as they are, grossly understate just how foolish and messed up this is.

                    “We didn’t conduct a poll, we just asked GPT or whatever to make up things people would say and then sampled that”

                    My dudes. No.

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                    @inthehands FFS

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                    • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                      RE: https://flipboard.com/@futurism/futurism-1lupih3cz/-/a-hWRkyR9zQFuooBpWKGziAw%3Aa%3A1737388686-%2F0

                      The remarks from the expert in this article, even as critical as they are, grossly understate just how foolish and messed up this is.

                      “We didn’t conduct a poll, we just asked GPT or whatever to make up things people would say and then sampled that”

                      My dudes. No.

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                      @inthehands

                      Next it will be asking LLMs what voters would choose and just going with that. No need for elections.

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                      • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                        RE: https://flipboard.com/@futurism/futurism-1lupih3cz/-/a-hWRkyR9zQFuooBpWKGziAw%3Aa%3A1737388686-%2F0

                        The remarks from the expert in this article, even as critical as they are, grossly understate just how foolish and messed up this is.

                        “We didn’t conduct a poll, we just asked GPT or whatever to make up things people would say and then sampled that”

                        My dudes. No.

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                        @inthehands @mastodonmigration @Futurism

                        I think polls should all include the question:

                        Did you find any of these questions leading?

                        And be required to publish that result next to any results along with those that commissioned, paid for, the poll.

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                        • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                          Say what you will about predicting the future from animal entrails, but at least that can give you dinner

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                          @inthehands Can I quote you on that?

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                          • drwho@masto.hackers.townD drwho@masto.hackers.town

                            @inthehands Can I quote you on that?

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                            @drwho
                            Any time

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                            • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                              @drwho
                              Any time

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                              @inthehands Thank you kindly.

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                              • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                RE: https://flipboard.com/@futurism/futurism-1lupih3cz/-/a-hWRkyR9zQFuooBpWKGziAw%3Aa%3A1737388686-%2F0

                                The remarks from the expert in this article, even as critical as they are, grossly understate just how foolish and messed up this is.

                                “We didn’t conduct a poll, we just asked GPT or whatever to make up things people would say and then sampled that”

                                My dudes. No.

                                jbayes@sfba.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @inthehands This is just a fancy new way of making shit up.

                                Publishing fabricated polls as if they were legit, is called "fraud".

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                                • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                  OK, I looked at it in slightly more detail, and yes, my OP is basically a correct summary of what they’re doing.

                                  Statistical Jesus wept.

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                                  @inthehands And not just statistics! I’ve also seen certain linguists and philosophers excited about the possibility of posing grammatical/ethical judgments to LLMs in bulk, apparently fully convinced that the results would hold any meaning or value whatsoever. Can’t wait for the smug “Trolley problem objectively solved” papers

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                                  • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                    OK, I looked at it in slightly more detail, and yes, my OP is basically a correct summary of what they’re doing.

                                    Statistical Jesus wept.

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                                    @inthehands 97.5% of Jesuses wept, +/- 2%.

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                                    • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                      Say what you will about predicting the future from animal entrails, but at least that can give you dinner

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                                      @inthehands I prefer not to dissect animals to do my personal share of fortune telling.
                                      Observing the flight of birds does not harm the environment and the analysis of it has the accuracy and potential of what is stored in my subconcius and my own filter of values.

                                      And I'm serious. I whatch birds fly and ask myself, what does it tell me.

                                      And at no point I doubt that this is less accurate than asking an llm.

                                      I have to decide things anyways somehow to do what seems right to me.

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                                      • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                        (The underlying logic here is that LLMs embed biases, so you take advantage of that fact by prompting an LLM to take on a spectrum of different demographic biases that correspond to population demographics, then ask the LLM a polling question in the context of each of those demographically weighted biases.

                                        So yeah, from my OP it might sound like they’re replacing polling with stabbing themselves in the face, but •actually• they’re juggling a bunch of knives and •then• stabbing themselves in the face.)

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                                        @inthehands there is no logic here. These people are just cultists.

                                        from the Aaru about page: “Some of us are existentialists. Some of us believe we live in a simulation and it is our goal to prove it. All of us see our products as puzzle pieces to building whole world simulation.”

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                                        • gnate@ohai.socialG gnate@ohai.social

                                          @rjblaskiewicz @inthehands
                                          It's just offal.

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                                          @gnate @rjblaskiewicz @inthehands Entrail-based fortunetelling gets more complicated if the chicken ate tea leaves before it died.

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