Can you run Signal with basically no iOS or Android devices right now and still do the (mandatory) prove-your-phone-id steps?
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@cwebber I'm hoping VeilidChat is ready to use with my family by the time I stop being able to use my Pixel 8 with GrapheneOS.
@freakazoid @cwebber I'm not keeping up with what's happening with Android and Google, but will the AOSP forks like Lineage and Graphene be affected too? Can't they remove the restrictions placed by Google?
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@Seirdy@pleroma.envs.net I managed to do it like a week ago, even "re-registering" a phone number, which is likely harder than the initial registration. I used this gist as a guide. And since I'm mentioning it, thanks @domi@donotsta.re for pointing me that way. <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://social.wuatek.is/emoji/blobfox/blobfoxheart.png" title=":blobfoxheart:" /> @cwebber@social.coop
@timorl@social.wuatek.is @Seirdy@pleroma.envs.net @cwebber@social.coop oh. happy
signal-cli receiveday for those who celebrate, i'm due... -
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Can you run Signal with basically no iOS or Android devices right now and still do the (mandatory) prove-your-phone-id steps?
It feels like very near future I, and everyone else who cares about computing autotonomy, we're all gonna have to start runnin' the Linux phones, no matter how non-ideal that user experience is right now
@cwebber@social.coop
I have said this repeatedly, and I'll die on this hill. You should not — cannot — trust any chat service currently operating in the United States (or in Russia or China, too). They can be ordered to comply with the government and to not inform anyone. A government that is embracing fascism and Nazis, that is led by pedophiles, and that is ignoring its own rule of law and justice cannot — should not — be trusted.
There are alternatives outside U.S. jurisdiction (and that of Russia and China, too):
Treebal — France, Europe
https://www.treebal.green
Note: Treebal is currently only available in Europe.
Delta Chat — Germany, Europe
https://delta.chat
Note: Use your email address or pick a federated server.
Ginlo — Germany, Europe
https://www.ginlo.net
Note: Offers both free personal and paid business options.
TeleGuard — Switzerland, Europe
https://teleguard.ch
Threema — Switzerland, Europe
https://threema.ch
Note: One-time payment for the app — https://shop.threema.ch
SimpleX Chat — United Kingdom, Europe
https://simplex.chat -
Can you run Signal with basically no iOS or Android devices right now and still do the (mandatory) prove-your-phone-id steps?
It feels like very near future I, and everyone else who cares about computing autotonomy, we're all gonna have to start runnin' the Linux phones, no matter how non-ideal that user experience is right now
@cwebber signal-cli
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Can you run Signal with basically no iOS or Android devices right now and still do the (mandatory) prove-your-phone-id steps?
It feels like very near future I, and everyone else who cares about computing autotonomy, we're all gonna have to start runnin' the Linux phones, no matter how non-ideal that user experience is right now
I think it'd also help to lobby for keeping to be possible to exist in society without needing any smartphone.
Community linux becomes even harder to use if you need commercial apps to unlock a car, pay for transit, interact with a bank, or authenticate to the government
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Can you run Signal with basically no iOS or Android devices right now and still do the (mandatory) prove-your-phone-id steps?
It feels like very near future I, and everyone else who cares about computing autotonomy, we're all gonna have to start runnin' the Linux phones, no matter how non-ideal that user experience is right now
@cwebber I have started using delta chat for this reason
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@timorl@social.wuatek.is @Seirdy@pleroma.envs.net @cwebber@social.coop oh. happy
signal-cli receiveday for those who celebrate, i'm due...@domi@donotsta.re @cwebber@social.coop @timorl@social.wuatek.is sometimes I browse the JSON logs just to reminisce.
ah yes, I remember receiving that typing indicator yesterday over breakfast.
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Can you run Signal with basically no iOS or Android devices right now and still do the (mandatory) prove-your-phone-id steps?
It feels like very near future I, and everyone else who cares about computing autotonomy, we're all gonna have to start runnin' the Linux phones, no matter how non-ideal that user experience is right now
@cwebber It can be done with flare (https://flathub.org/en/apps/de.schmidhuberj.Flare) and with signal-cli.
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@Seirdy @cwebber signal-cli does indeed advertise supporting registration.
https://github.com/AsamK/signal-clialso i do want to ask, don't most Mobile Linux projects support running android apps in one way or another? it should be possible then (if not easy, though maybe there's some reservations i'm not aware of) to run the mobile version of Signal on a Linux phone.
@Yuvalne@433.world @cwebber@social.coop They support it at the expense of security. No robust SELinux-enabled Android sandbox.
Then again, Signal Desktop has no sandbox either. Which is…concerning.
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Can you run Signal with basically no iOS or Android devices right now and still do the (mandatory) prove-your-phone-id steps?
It feels like very near future I, and everyone else who cares about computing autotonomy, we're all gonna have to start runnin' the Linux phones, no matter how non-ideal that user experience is right now
@cwebber What's the leading non-Android Linux phone these days? -
Can you run Signal with basically no iOS or Android devices right now and still do the (mandatory) prove-your-phone-id steps?
It feels like very near future I, and everyone else who cares about computing autotonomy, we're all gonna have to start runnin' the Linux phones, no matter how non-ideal that user experience is right now
@cwebber There is no special device permission to verify the ownership of the phone number. It's based on SMS. AIUI you've always been fine running Signal on a different phone than the one your SIM is in. Same should work with real full client on non-Android Linux.
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@cwebber You need a number that can receive an SMS. You can use signal-cli as your "primary" device. It's a bit cumbersome, you need to take a screenshot of a QR code that keeps changing (or patch Signal Desktop to show an URL?) and feed that into signal-cli, but it works.
I tried last year to set up a second signal account without using any kind of phone. I went through every option people suggested and just could not get it to work. Part of it seemed like Signal just wouldn't send an SMS to any of the VoIP numbers that I gave it.
Eventually just gave up and bought another phone. Still irritated that I need to have one phone on hand per signal account or context.
