I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language.
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@afilina @solariz @sushee it's interesting isn't it. Like I certainly remember us clowning on a whole variety of things.
Now that I feel more culture shock going back to europe than the other way round, I think a) identification with one's job and occupation is much stronger in the US (both a good and a bad thing) and a stronger "belief" that your choices determine who you are, and that the choice of a programming language is thus a statement of value and identity (also a good and a bad thing).
One of the bad sides is that it leads to this more emotionally laden discourse (see llms right now too).
Ofc this is me just rambling, don't ascribe too much to it, but it also feels validating to see that other people notice it too.
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@sushee any language that still thrives at this point must be working.
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@sushee oh gosh, the language I dislike the _most_? I'm not even sure what that would be. Like, I sometimes poke fun at (or outright denigrate) javascript, but it's obviously extremely powerful. and coding in it works well enough. I wouldn't say I dislike it the _most_.
So that leaves, I dunno, objective C or maybe Go, but I don't have enough experience in them to even say something bad about them properly, let alone something good.
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@torb @a_lex_ander The difference with PHP is that types are runtime enforced. In python it's ahead of time optional static analysis only. Typescript is compiled. Of gradual languages, PHP actually enforced types. And then there is a robust static analysis tool chain on top of it that's even stronger.
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I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. Some people are apparently stuck in a 25 year old notion of PHP.
NOBODY can afford this anymore and if this shit of communities doing it to EACH OTHER doesn't stop, you're just making it easy to be destroyed.
So be in freakin' solidarity with each other for a change.
I challenge you to say something good about the language you dislike the most.
I'm so SO tired of this shit since 1999, really.
@sushee ironically the language i dislike the most is for peripheral reasons to anything about it (i won't name it but it's quite nice design-wise)
unfortunately its association with a reprehensible designer means hup into the memory hole with ya
(not referring to sth in current widespread use)
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@sushee ironically the language i dislike the most is for peripheral reasons to anything about it (i won't name it but it's quite nice design-wise)
unfortunately its association with a reprehensible designer means hup into the memory hole with ya
(not referring to sth in current widespread use)
@erisceleste I actually googled rasmus lerdorf controversy etc etc first because I'm not defending a programming language with an iffy smell
there are some I'm avoiding for that reason.
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@erisceleste I actually googled rasmus lerdorf controversy etc etc first because I'm not defending a programming language with an iffy smell
there are some I'm avoiding for that reason.
@sushee haha nah sorry, one completely unrelated to PHP
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I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. Some people are apparently stuck in a 25 year old notion of PHP.
NOBODY can afford this anymore and if this shit of communities doing it to EACH OTHER doesn't stop, you're just making it easy to be destroyed.
So be in freakin' solidarity with each other for a change.
I challenge you to say something good about the language you dislike the most.
I'm so SO tired of this shit since 1999, really.
@sushee I dislike perl. Not because it's bad, but because it is too powerful. Anything you need to do, perl can do it. But should it. Should it?
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@a_lex_ander @zerodogg @sushee I did not know about Caddy thanks for this
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I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. Some people are apparently stuck in a 25 year old notion of PHP.
NOBODY can afford this anymore and if this shit of communities doing it to EACH OTHER doesn't stop, you're just making it easy to be destroyed.
So be in freakin' solidarity with each other for a change.
I challenge you to say something good about the language you dislike the most.
I'm so SO tired of this shit since 1999, really.
@sushee hm, I understand your point but am a little ambivalent. Not at all towards php nut much more towards JavaScript, but I guess the name of the language does not matter. Or does it?
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I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. Some people are apparently stuck in a 25 year old notion of PHP.
NOBODY can afford this anymore and if this shit of communities doing it to EACH OTHER doesn't stop, you're just making it easy to be destroyed.
So be in freakin' solidarity with each other for a change.
I challenge you to say something good about the language you dislike the most.
I'm so SO tired of this shit since 1999, really.
@sushee The language I dislike the most is Javascript and I had the impression that the community was developing way better than my beloved Ruby community.
(Disclaimer: I haven't had the capacity to look into these things for many years
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I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. Some people are apparently stuck in a 25 year old notion of PHP.
NOBODY can afford this anymore and if this shit of communities doing it to EACH OTHER doesn't stop, you're just making it easy to be destroyed.
So be in freakin' solidarity with each other for a change.
I challenge you to say something good about the language you dislike the most.
I'm so SO tired of this shit since 1999, really.
@sushee Yes, now PHP is rigid and object oriented like all these other languages out there and there is no reason to use it instead of one of them.
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