<![CDATA[I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language.]]>I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. Some people are apparently stuck in a 25 year old notion of PHP.

NOBODY can afford this anymore and if this shit of communities doing it to EACH OTHER doesn't stop, you're just making it easy to be destroyed.

So be in freakin' solidarity with each other for a change.

I challenge you to say something good about the language you dislike the most.

I'm so SO tired of this shit since 1999, really.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/54d3513d-3694-47d8-85c6-5d0341391fa0/i-ve-now-seen-twice-the-notion-insinuating-php-is-somehow-still-a-lesser-language.RSS for NodeThu, 30 Apr 2026 18:20:04 GMTThu, 16 Apr 2026 14:25:01 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Sat, 18 Apr 2026 16:21:04 GMT]]>@sushee Yes, now PHP is rigid and object oriented like all these other languages out there and there is no reason to use it instead of one of them.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://drupal.community/users/mikemccaffrey/statuses/116426621866104173https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://drupal.community/users/mikemccaffrey/statuses/116426621866104173Sat, 18 Apr 2026 16:21:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Sat, 18 Apr 2026 09:31:25 GMT]]>@sushee The language I dislike the most is Javascript and I had the impression that the community was developing way better than my beloved Ruby community.

(Disclaimer: I haven't had the capacity to look into these things for many years 😅)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ohai.social/users/acid/statuses/116425011053672689https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ohai.social/users/acid/statuses/116425011053672689Sat, 18 Apr 2026 09:31:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Sat, 18 Apr 2026 07:39:24 GMT]]>@sushee hm, I understand your point but am a little ambivalent. Not at all towards php nut much more towards JavaScript, but I guess the name of the language does not matter. Or does it?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.nl/users/JeroenBaten/statuses/116424570585368885https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.nl/users/JeroenBaten/statuses/116424570585368885Sat, 18 Apr 2026 07:39:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Sat, 18 Apr 2026 05:24:00 GMT]]>@a_lex_ander @zerodogg @sushee I did not know about Caddy thanks for this

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.oncrete.uk/users/nickapos/statuses/01KPFGQFFX3SD43E0SXPGC52ZKhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.oncrete.uk/users/nickapos/statuses/01KPFGQFFX3SD43E0SXPGC52ZKSat, 18 Apr 2026 05:24:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Sat, 18 Apr 2026 03:55:19 GMT]]>@sushee I dislike perl. Not because it's bad, but because it is too powerful. Anything you need to do, perl can do it. But should it. Should it?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/reference_material/statuses/116423689439077461https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/reference_material/statuses/116423689439077461Sat, 18 Apr 2026 03:55:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 22:00:50 GMT]]>@sushee haha nah sorry, one completely unrelated to PHP

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/erisceleste/statuses/116422295592800408https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/erisceleste/statuses/116422295592800408Fri, 17 Apr 2026 22:00:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 18:09:52 GMT]]>@erisceleste I actually googled rasmus lerdorf controversy etc etc first because I'm not defending a programming language with an iffy smell

there are some I'm avoiding for that reason.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ohai.social/users/sushee/statuses/116421387401927190https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ohai.social/users/sushee/statuses/116421387401927190Fri, 17 Apr 2026 18:09:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 15:56:35 GMT]]>@sushee ironically the language i dislike the most is for peripheral reasons to anything about it (i won't name it but it's quite nice design-wise)

unfortunately its association with a reprehensible designer means hup into the memory hole with ya

(not referring to sth in current widespread use)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/erisceleste/statuses/116420863263313603https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/erisceleste/statuses/116420863263313603Fri, 17 Apr 2026 15:56:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 05:04:50 GMT]]>@Crell @torb And in the last few years there has been a constant "inflow" of language features related to the type system. Currently even generics "light" are being discussed again, in addition to two popular static analysis tools that understand docblocks. PHP is moving, slowly but steadily.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/a_lex_ander/statuses/116418300513982330https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/a_lex_ander/statuses/116418300513982330Fri, 17 Apr 2026 05:04:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 22:51:06 GMT]]>@kboyd @sushee (Are you sure the most hated language isn’t Dutch? It’s a silly language with silly spelling…)

Kidding! Love the Dutch.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116407166860400053/statuses/116416830956804008https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116407166860400053/statuses/116416830956804008Thu, 16 Apr 2026 22:51:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 22:48:22 GMT]]>@flq @sushee … …maybe some people can’t wrap their brain around the name? Rebrand as HPP and we have a winner!

(Joking… we don’t want an Oracle sniffing around, eh?)

From the school of Dilbert Management

😉

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116407166860400053/statuses/116416820174293252https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116407166860400053/statuses/116416820174293252Thu, 16 Apr 2026 22:48:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 22:34:00 GMT]]>@afilina @solariz @sushee it's interesting isn't it. Like I certainly remember us clowning on a whole variety of things.

Now that I feel more culture shock going back to europe than the other way round, I think a) identification with one's job and occupation is much stronger in the US (both a good and a bad thing) and a stronger "belief" that your choices determine who you are, and that the choice of a programming language is thus a statement of value and identity (also a good and a bad thing).

One of the bad sides is that it leads to this more emotionally laden discourse (see llms right now too).

Ofc this is me just rambling, don't ascribe too much to it, but it also feels validating to see that other people notice it too.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/mnl/statuses/116416763703332278https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/mnl/statuses/116416763703332278Thu, 16 Apr 2026 22:34:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 22:05:15 GMT]]>@mnl @solariz @sushee I think people in the US are generally more ok with openly hating something, usually whatever isn't what they use. I heard some really hurtful and unaccepyable comments regarding various programming languages from US folks. Seldom in other countries, although it still happens.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://phpc.social/users/afilina/statuses/116416650640373117https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://phpc.social/users/afilina/statuses/116416650640373117Thu, 16 Apr 2026 22:05:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 19:01:01 GMT]]>@torb @a_lex_ander The difference with PHP is that types are runtime enforced. In python it's ahead of time optional static analysis only. Typescript is compiled. Of gradual languages, PHP actually enforced types. And then there is a robust static analysis tool chain on top of it that's even stronger.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://phpc.social/users/Crell/statuses/116415926206059520https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://phpc.social/users/Crell/statuses/116415926206059520Thu, 16 Apr 2026 19:01:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 18:52:24 GMT]]>@a_lex_ander I was kinda aware that PHP had gradual typing (as with all scripting languages), so it doesn’t change it *that much* for me. I really like fairly strong and strict type systems. Of course those come with their own tradeoffs (my Swift compile times are at times slow and my the compiler error messages not always the easiest to understand). I suppose I’m willing to pay that particular price.

EDIT: Did not take it as an attack at all! It’s hard to keep detailed track of all tech communities and it was fun to learn more! 🙂

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/torb/statuses/116415892320711680https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/torb/statuses/116415892320711680Thu, 16 Apr 2026 18:52:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 18:31:04 GMT]]>@torb @Crell @sushee As I wrote, I'm not trying to attack you in any way. It's just funny how many misconceptions there still are even after a decade. I don't know of any language that seems to be as misunderstood. But then again, someone recently told me monitors in Linux are almost impossible to configure because of all the config files and I genuinely couldn't remember the last time I opened an XF86Config.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/a_lex_ander/statuses/116415808455208788https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/a_lex_ander/statuses/116415808455208788Thu, 16 Apr 2026 18:31:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 18:09:23 GMT]]>@a_lex_ander @Crell @sushee I mean, my main point here was that even if my premise was true you would still *have to* recognize that it’s not worse than many other popular and relatively respected languages.

Additionally I also wanted to make the point that you can dislike something and still respect it.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/torb/statuses/116415723195003360https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/torb/statuses/116415723195003360Thu, 16 Apr 2026 18:09:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 18:08:34 GMT]]>@zerodogg @sushee FrankenPHP (building on Caddy) is the new mod_php. 😉 Start server, get SSL out of the box, drop script, run everything in parallel.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/a_lex_ander/statuses/116415719974644802https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/a_lex_ander/statuses/116415719974644802Thu, 16 Apr 2026 18:08:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 18:06:02 GMT]]>@torb @Crell @sushee No offense, but your "I dislike PHP because it's not typed" is the exact reason why PHP devs wonder where all the ideas about it come from. 🤣

I personally haven't written a single PHP project without types and later strict enforcement in the last 10 years. I'd guess 95% of my entire codebase (due to some libraries opting to be backwards compatible) is typed.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/a_lex_ander/statuses/116415709971786162https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/a_lex_ander/statuses/116415709971786162Thu, 16 Apr 2026 18:06:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 17:55:19 GMT]]>@torb @sushee Fairly widespread. The pockets of resistence are largely super old libraries, or WordPress. 🙂

Almost anything written in the last 6-8 years is very well typed.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://phpc.social/users/Crell/statuses/116415667861271020https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://phpc.social/users/Crell/statuses/116415667861271020Thu, 16 Apr 2026 17:55:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 17:53:41 GMT]]>@sushee any language that still thrives at this point must be working.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freiburg.social/users/flq/statuses/116415661429129582https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freiburg.social/users/flq/statuses/116415661429129582Thu, 16 Apr 2026 17:53:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 17:48:01 GMT]]>@Crell @sushee That’s cool to hear!

I feel with gradually typed languages culture matters a lot. How much is types used in practice?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/torb/statuses/116415639188285511https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/torb/statuses/116415639188285511Thu, 16 Apr 2026 17:48:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 17:44:48 GMT]]>@sushee Ok, challenge accepted. mod_php is and was brilliant. Reduced the barrier of entry to making server side webapps to nearly nothing. Write normal HTML, add some <?php blocks, copy to server. Webapp.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/zerodogg/statuses/116415626490348307https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/zerodogg/statuses/116415626490348307Thu, 16 Apr 2026 17:44:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 17:30:13 GMT]]>@sushee

I really dislike working in Python, largely because it's so untyped. But I am currently trying to steal context managers for PHP, and would love to steal comprehensions, too.

Python has a similar "get shit done and move on" mentality to it to PHP, which is part of why it's so popular.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://phpc.social/users/Crell/statuses/116415569158090339https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://phpc.social/users/Crell/statuses/116415569158090339Thu, 16 Apr 2026 17:30:13 GMT