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I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language.

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  • kboyd@phpc.socialK kboyd@phpc.social

    @sushee oh gosh, the language I dislike the _most_? I'm not even sure what that would be. Like, I sometimes poke fun at (or outright denigrate) javascript, but it's obviously extremely powerful. and coding in it works well enough. I wouldn't say I dislike it the _most_.

    So that leaves, I dunno, objective C or maybe Go, but I don't have enough experience in them to even say something bad about them properly, let alone something good.

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    @kboyd @sushee (Are you sure the most hated language isn’t Dutch? It’s a silly language with silly spelling…)

    Kidding! Love the Dutch.

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    • crell@phpc.socialC crell@phpc.social

      @torb @a_lex_ander The difference with PHP is that types are runtime enforced. In python it's ahead of time optional static analysis only. Typescript is compiled. Of gradual languages, PHP actually enforced types. And then there is a robust static analysis tool chain on top of it that's even stronger.

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      @Crell @torb And in the last few years there has been a constant "inflow" of language features related to the type system. Currently even generics "light" are being discussed again, in addition to two popular static analysis tools that understand docblocks. PHP is moving, slowly but steadily.

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      • sushee@ohai.socialS sushee@ohai.social

        I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. Some people are apparently stuck in a 25 year old notion of PHP.

        NOBODY can afford this anymore and if this shit of communities doing it to EACH OTHER doesn't stop, you're just making it easy to be destroyed.

        So be in freakin' solidarity with each other for a change.

        I challenge you to say something good about the language you dislike the most.

        I'm so SO tired of this shit since 1999, really.

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        @sushee ironically the language i dislike the most is for peripheral reasons to anything about it (i won't name it but it's quite nice design-wise)

        unfortunately its association with a reprehensible designer means hup into the memory hole with ya

        (not referring to sth in current widespread use)

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        • erisceleste@tech.lgbtE erisceleste@tech.lgbt

          @sushee ironically the language i dislike the most is for peripheral reasons to anything about it (i won't name it but it's quite nice design-wise)

          unfortunately its association with a reprehensible designer means hup into the memory hole with ya

          (not referring to sth in current widespread use)

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          @erisceleste I actually googled rasmus lerdorf controversy etc etc first because I'm not defending a programming language with an iffy smell

          there are some I'm avoiding for that reason.

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          • sushee@ohai.socialS sushee@ohai.social

            @erisceleste I actually googled rasmus lerdorf controversy etc etc first because I'm not defending a programming language with an iffy smell

            there are some I'm avoiding for that reason.

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            @sushee haha nah sorry, one completely unrelated to PHP

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            • sushee@ohai.socialS sushee@ohai.social

              I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. Some people are apparently stuck in a 25 year old notion of PHP.

              NOBODY can afford this anymore and if this shit of communities doing it to EACH OTHER doesn't stop, you're just making it easy to be destroyed.

              So be in freakin' solidarity with each other for a change.

              I challenge you to say something good about the language you dislike the most.

              I'm so SO tired of this shit since 1999, really.

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              @sushee I dislike perl. Not because it's bad, but because it is too powerful. Anything you need to do, perl can do it. But should it. Should it?

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                @zerodogg @sushee FrankenPHP (building on Caddy) is the new mod_php. 😉 Start server, get SSL out of the box, drop script, run everything in parallel.

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                @a_lex_ander @zerodogg @sushee I did not know about Caddy thanks for this

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                • sushee@ohai.socialS sushee@ohai.social

                  I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. Some people are apparently stuck in a 25 year old notion of PHP.

                  NOBODY can afford this anymore and if this shit of communities doing it to EACH OTHER doesn't stop, you're just making it easy to be destroyed.

                  So be in freakin' solidarity with each other for a change.

                  I challenge you to say something good about the language you dislike the most.

                  I'm so SO tired of this shit since 1999, really.

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                  @sushee hm, I understand your point but am a little ambivalent. Not at all towards php nut much more towards JavaScript, but I guess the name of the language does not matter. Or does it?

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                  • sushee@ohai.socialS sushee@ohai.social

                    I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. Some people are apparently stuck in a 25 year old notion of PHP.

                    NOBODY can afford this anymore and if this shit of communities doing it to EACH OTHER doesn't stop, you're just making it easy to be destroyed.

                    So be in freakin' solidarity with each other for a change.

                    I challenge you to say something good about the language you dislike the most.

                    I'm so SO tired of this shit since 1999, really.

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                    @sushee The language I dislike the most is Javascript and I had the impression that the community was developing way better than my beloved Ruby community.

                    (Disclaimer: I haven't had the capacity to look into these things for many years 😅)

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                    • sushee@ohai.socialS sushee@ohai.social

                      I've now seen twice the notion insinuating PHP is somehow still a lesser language. Some people are apparently stuck in a 25 year old notion of PHP.

                      NOBODY can afford this anymore and if this shit of communities doing it to EACH OTHER doesn't stop, you're just making it easy to be destroyed.

                      So be in freakin' solidarity with each other for a change.

                      I challenge you to say something good about the language you dislike the most.

                      I'm so SO tired of this shit since 1999, really.

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                      @sushee Yes, now PHP is rigid and object oriented like all these other languages out there and there is no reason to use it instead of one of them.

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