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  • angelastella@social.treehouse.systemsA angelastella@social.treehouse.systems

    @eestileib @llorenzin

    Still in my to-read list.

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    @angelastella @eestileib that's the most frightening part of all this. I enjoy reading post-apocalypse fiction - absolutely no desire to live through it...

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    • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

      @eestileib absolutely. Not sure whether you meant "mesh" literally, but I'm active on both Meshtastic and Meshcore and starting to get involved with both mutual aid and local emergency response mesh comms projects. 😁

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      @llorenzin

      I'm on mesh core too and people should also look at stuff like Briar cause there are a lot more phones out there than lora radios.

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      • joerg@mastodon.bawue.socialJ joerg@mastodon.bawue.social

        @llorenzin been telling that quite a few folks lately. Things are going to get real ugly.

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        @joerg I've been seriously thinking about what happens when the enshittification hits critical mass. How much of our infrastructure has to collapse before we recognize and start digging out?
        (Looking at the climate response, I am deeply not optimistic.)

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        • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

          This is *brutal*...

          "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

          Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

          Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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          @llorenzin Brutal and accurate

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          • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

            @angelastella @eestileib that's the most frightening part of all this. I enjoy reading post-apocalypse fiction - absolutely no desire to live through it...

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            @llorenzin @eestileib

            Yep. It's unhealthy.

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            • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

              This is *brutal*...

              "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

              Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

              Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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              @llorenzin Fuck...it hurts to hear it said out loud, but we all instinctively understand this.

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              • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                This is *brutal*...

                "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                @llorenzin
                I see things like these and I get severe mixed feelings, on one side this shitshow is a time bomb that will cause untold damage for many, many years, but on the other I always get a bit of weird relief of "Yes, it's not just me"

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                • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                  This is *brutal*...

                  "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                  Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                  Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                  @llorenzin @msbw they've done us a favour. Now we can get real jobs.

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                  • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                    This is *brutal*...

                    "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                    Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                    Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                    @llorenzin - I’m a Sophomore in CS, and the “Junior developer hiring is over” is saddening. The amount of effort I need to just get up to bat let alone on first base is deflating. It’s not enough to show basic competence, communication, and a capacity to learn; these days you need to have your own end-to-end software platform up and 100+ leetcode questions memorized. The system is all messed up, and the worst part is this is all unforced errors. It doesn’t have to be like this.

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                    • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                      @wordshaper the problem is that getting fired due to management obsession with AI is absolutely not an empty threat, and the job market right now is worse (from my perspective) than even the dotcom crash in the early 2000s. The anxiety is totally justified.

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                      @llorenzin @wordshaper I can confirm all of these things.

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                      • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                        @wordshaper the problem is that getting fired due to management obsession with AI is absolutely not an empty threat, and the job market right now is worse (from my perspective) than even the dotcom crash in the early 2000s. The anxiety is totally justified.

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                        @llorenzin @wordshaper The anxiety started long before "AI"; management is always obsessing about something and developers are always afraid they're going to get fired which makes it easy for management to leverage that anxiety so they do things against their own best interest. At some point we have to say enough is enough but somehow it's always never now or this.

                        A union and/or professional society would help but... 🤷

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                        • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                          This is *brutal*...

                          "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                          Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                          Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                          @llorenzin

                          PREACH
                          I'm not in the biz anymore but I fear for those that are. It's not going to be pretty.

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                            @rowb1t @llorenzin It’s like people treating Facebook and similar as public utilities. People have been thinking about companies hiring junior programmers/computer scientists as public utilities. It’s always been an illusion, but now we see the consequences.

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                            • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                              This is *brutal*...

                              "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                              Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                              Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                              @llorenzin
                              Thank you so much for sharing. Even with the dire truth in it it was a nice read.

                              I loved the way the picture was painted so vividly.

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                              • angelastella@social.treehouse.systemsA angelastella@social.treehouse.systems

                                @llorenzin @eestileib

                                Yep. It's unhealthy.

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                                @angelastella @llorenzin @eestileib
                                Very strange reading as COVID unfolded, like you’re reading the book while living in an advanced review, knowing he wrote it before the events that just happened

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                                • diami03@infosec.exchangeD diami03@infosec.exchange

                                  @llorenzin Fuck...it hurts to hear it said out loud, but we all instinctively understand this.

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                                  @Diami03 yes. The destruction is going to reverberate for years...

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                                  • drwho@masto.hackers.townD drwho@masto.hackers.town

                                    @llorenzin @wordshaper I can confirm all of these things.

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                                    @drwho 🫂

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                                    • eestileib@tech.lgbtE eestileib@tech.lgbt

                                      @llorenzin

                                      I'm on mesh core too and people should also look at stuff like Briar cause there are a lot more phones out there than lora radios.

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                                      @eestileib @llorenzin. From what I get from the Briar page, it does not really peer with unknown users, right? It only transfers your messages with people you know. I think this way the use is extremely limited. But maybe I got it wrong?

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                                      • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                                        This is *brutal*...

                                        "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                                        Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                                        Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                                        @llorenzin dang, "The CEO says AI is making his buddy Jared's team so productive he was able to fire half of them, but like, as a brag, not a threat? I dunno, I felt threatened, but that's probably just my anxiety flaring up. Surely I can borrow a xanax from one of the several employees crying in the bathroom."

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                                        • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                                          This is *brutal*...

                                          "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                                          Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                                          Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                                          @llorenzin Dead on.

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