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    This is *brutal*...

    "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

    Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

    Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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    eestileib@tech.lgbtE wordshaper@weatherishappening.networkW johnzajac@dice.campJ angelastella@social.treehouse.systemsA joerg@mastodon.bawue.socialJ 29 Replies Last reply
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    • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

      This is *brutal*...

      "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

      Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

      Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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      @llorenzin

      Start building your local mesh now, the big services are running off the cliff...

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      • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

        This is *brutal*...

        "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

        Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

        Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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        @llorenzin This has solidified something I've been thinking about for ages. The industry has absolutely weaponized our anxiety and has been using it to get things they absolutely would never get from a more stable and chill workforce.

        The enraging bit is that if we *were* chill and not anxiety driven the extra danger to us would be... basically nothing. Because we're worried about ghosts and empty threats that have no substance and disappear in the light of day.

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        • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

          This is *brutal*...

          "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

          Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

          Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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          @llorenzin

          The funny part is that the machine *doesn't* do what they do, nor is it cheaper, but the propaganda of "AI" companies is so ubiquitous that even people in a position to know better talk like the disinformation is facts.

          LLMs-as-coding-machines will collapse long before the long-tail impact of the short-term bullshit arrives, if only because we're already seeing the broken services and software that vibecoding produces.

          The real problem is COVID brain damage; that's harder to fix.

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          • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

            This is *brutal*...

            "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

            Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

            Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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            @llorenzin

            Great. We're creating the conditions for the collapse of our computational and communications infrastructure. Let's hope the synergy with other crises doesn't get too destructive.

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            • angelastella@social.treehouse.systemsA angelastella@social.treehouse.systems

              @llorenzin

              Great. We're creating the conditions for the collapse of our computational and communications infrastructure. Let's hope the synergy with other crises doesn't get too destructive.

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              @angelastella @llorenzin

              It's the Jackpot

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              • eestileib@tech.lgbtE eestileib@tech.lgbt

                @angelastella @llorenzin

                It's the Jackpot

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                @eestileib @llorenzin

                Still in my to-read list.

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                • eestileib@tech.lgbtE eestileib@tech.lgbt

                  @llorenzin

                  Start building your local mesh now, the big services are running off the cliff...

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                  @eestileib absolutely. Not sure whether you meant "mesh" literally, but I'm active on both Meshtastic and Meshcore and starting to get involved with both mutual aid and local emergency response mesh comms projects. 😁

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                  • wordshaper@weatherishappening.networkW wordshaper@weatherishappening.network

                    @llorenzin This has solidified something I've been thinking about for ages. The industry has absolutely weaponized our anxiety and has been using it to get things they absolutely would never get from a more stable and chill workforce.

                    The enraging bit is that if we *were* chill and not anxiety driven the extra danger to us would be... basically nothing. Because we're worried about ghosts and empty threats that have no substance and disappear in the light of day.

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                    @wordshaper the problem is that getting fired due to management obsession with AI is absolutely not an empty threat, and the job market right now is worse (from my perspective) than even the dotcom crash in the early 2000s. The anxiety is totally justified.

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                    • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                      This is *brutal*...

                      "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                      Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                      Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                      @llorenzin been telling that quite a few folks lately. Things are going to get real ugly.

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                      • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                        @llorenzin

                        The funny part is that the machine *doesn't* do what they do, nor is it cheaper, but the propaganda of "AI" companies is so ubiquitous that even people in a position to know better talk like the disinformation is facts.

                        LLMs-as-coding-machines will collapse long before the long-tail impact of the short-term bullshit arrives, if only because we're already seeing the broken services and software that vibecoding produces.

                        The real problem is COVID brain damage; that's harder to fix.

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                        @johnzajac I 100% agree with you on every point here, and especially the last one. It's absolutely terrifying what we're doing to ourselves as a species.

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                        • angelastella@social.treehouse.systemsA angelastella@social.treehouse.systems

                          @eestileib @llorenzin

                          Still in my to-read list.

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                          @angelastella @eestileib that's the most frightening part of all this. I enjoy reading post-apocalypse fiction - absolutely no desire to live through it...

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                          • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                            @eestileib absolutely. Not sure whether you meant "mesh" literally, but I'm active on both Meshtastic and Meshcore and starting to get involved with both mutual aid and local emergency response mesh comms projects. 😁

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                            @llorenzin

                            I'm on mesh core too and people should also look at stuff like Briar cause there are a lot more phones out there than lora radios.

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                            • joerg@mastodon.bawue.socialJ joerg@mastodon.bawue.social

                              @llorenzin been telling that quite a few folks lately. Things are going to get real ugly.

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                              @joerg I've been seriously thinking about what happens when the enshittification hits critical mass. How much of our infrastructure has to collapse before we recognize and start digging out?
                              (Looking at the climate response, I am deeply not optimistic.)

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                              • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                                This is *brutal*...

                                "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                                Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                                Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                                @llorenzin Brutal and accurate

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                                • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                                  @angelastella @eestileib that's the most frightening part of all this. I enjoy reading post-apocalypse fiction - absolutely no desire to live through it...

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                                  @llorenzin @eestileib

                                  Yep. It's unhealthy.

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                                  • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                                    This is *brutal*...

                                    "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                                    Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                                    Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                                    @llorenzin Fuck...it hurts to hear it said out loud, but we all instinctively understand this.

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                                      This is *brutal*...

                                      "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                                      Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                                      Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                                      @llorenzin
                                      I see things like these and I get severe mixed feelings, on one side this shitshow is a time bomb that will cause untold damage for many, many years, but on the other I always get a bit of weird relief of "Yes, it's not just me"

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                                        This is *brutal*...

                                        "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                                        Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                                        Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                                        @llorenzin @msbw they've done us a favour. Now we can get real jobs.

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                                        • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                                          This is *brutal*...

                                          "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                                          Programming Still Sucks. — Writing

                                          Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                                          @llorenzin - I’m a Sophomore in CS, and the “Junior developer hiring is over” is saddening. The amount of effort I need to just get up to bat let alone on first base is deflating. It’s not enough to show basic competence, communication, and a capacity to learn; these days you need to have your own end-to-end software platform up and 100+ leetcode questions memorized. The system is all messed up, and the worst part is this is all unforced errors. It doesn’t have to be like this.

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