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  • kimcrawley@zeroes.caK kimcrawley@zeroes.ca

    @zzt

    How?

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    @kimcrawley I subscribed to the newsletter. is there a better way to join?

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    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

      @kimcrawley I subscribed to the newsletter. is there a better way to join?

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      @zzt

      Ahhh. Yeah, subscribing to the newsletter doesn't = joining Stop Gen AI. Sorry if I didn't design the system to be clear enough 😖

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      • kimcrawley@zeroes.caK kimcrawley@zeroes.ca

        @zzt

        Ahhh. Yeah, subscribing to the newsletter doesn't = joining Stop Gen AI. Sorry if I didn't design the system to be clear enough 😖

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        @kimcrawley ohhh! yes sorry, I’m juggling a bunch of things right now but will shoot you an email!

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        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

          @rootwyrm the year is 2026 and linux on the desktop is finally an actual thing my actual dad asked for by name instead of a tired meme

          the linux ecosystem is of course using this moment to comply in advance with fascism and embrace slop, ensuring it’ll become the exact operating system that was so terrible not even my dad could stand it

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          @zzt @rootwyrm I've been saying it for a couple years. entire linux ecosystem is dominated by a couple big corpo gorillas and their projects exist to supplant pre-existing ones they do not control

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          • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

            @zzt IBM, Canonical, Torvalds, and Systemd Dipfuck are falling all over themselves to implement total surveillance at the kernel level. I expect by next week, grub will refuse to boot past an 'Enter your birthdate' prompt.

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            @rootwyrm @zzt oh, shit: Torvalds too‽😢

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            • kyle_pegasus@scalie.clubK kyle_pegasus@scalie.club

              @zzt @rootwyrm I've been saying it for a couple years. entire linux ecosystem is dominated by a couple big corpo gorillas and their projects exist to supplant pre-existing ones they do not control

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              @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm Entryism at its finest.

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              • wikisteff@mastodon.socialW wikisteff@mastodon.social

                @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm Entryism at its finest.

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                @Wikisteff @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm I know it's pedantic and not the real problem, but I'm very curious how they define "operating system".

                My furnace has a logic board in it that, I think, is running some embedded, realtime OS. Do I need my ID to change my thermostat (which probably has it's own OS)?

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                • nerdpr0f@infosec.exchangeN nerdpr0f@infosec.exchange

                  @Wikisteff @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm I know it's pedantic and not the real problem, but I'm very curious how they define "operating system".

                  My furnace has a logic board in it that, I think, is running some embedded, realtime OS. Do I need my ID to change my thermostat (which probably has it's own OS)?

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                  @nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm This is a fantastic point, and a huge deal moving forward. Android will have all this, but embedded systems? No way.

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                  • wikisteff@mastodon.socialW wikisteff@mastodon.social

                    @nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm This is a fantastic point, and a huge deal moving forward. Android will have all this, but embedded systems? No way.

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                    @nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm I guess we'll have to do the equivalent of "Running Doom on your air conditioner display panel", but for how much serious linux can you get out of an anonymous headless linux distro...

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                    • wikisteff@mastodon.socialW wikisteff@mastodon.social

                      @nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm This is a fantastic point, and a huge deal moving forward. Android will have all this, but embedded systems? No way.

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                      @Wikisteff @nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm the point of these laws isn’t to be consistent. the point of these laws is to harm you and me. the people proposing and enforcing these laws don’t give a fuck what an operating system is, only that it’s a concept they can use as a weapon. do you really think you’re going to be explaining to the cops what an embedded system is if they come to your house thirsting for your fucking head?

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                      • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                        @Wikisteff @nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm the point of these laws isn’t to be consistent. the point of these laws is to harm you and me. the people proposing and enforcing these laws don’t give a fuck what an operating system is, only that it’s a concept they can use as a weapon. do you really think you’re going to be explaining to the cops what an embedded system is if they come to your house thirsting for your fucking head?

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                        @zzt @Wikisteff @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm No, not at all. I know that this is, basically, aimed at trying to eliminate anonymity online for the purposes of mass surveillance.

                        I'm not a lawyer, but I wonder if (at least in the us) this may give raise to a "Selective Enforcement" defense.

                        Also, I'm just exhausted with all of it and I'm enjoying the pedantry.

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                        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                          @Wikisteff @nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm the point of these laws isn’t to be consistent. the point of these laws is to harm you and me. the people proposing and enforcing these laws don’t give a fuck what an operating system is, only that it’s a concept they can use as a weapon. do you really think you’re going to be explaining to the cops what an embedded system is if they come to your house thirsting for your fucking head?

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                          @zzt @Wikisteff @nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm After what we’ve all experienced the last 10 years or so “that’s unenforceable” should not be comforting to anyone. Something being unenforceable or totally detached from reality is not going to stop these MFs from trying to do it anyway and they will fuck up *so* many things in the attempt!

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                          • kyle_pegasus@scalie.clubK kyle_pegasus@scalie.club

                            @zzt @rootwyrm I've been saying it for a couple years. entire linux ecosystem is dominated by a couple big corpo gorillas and their projects exist to supplant pre-existing ones they do not control

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                            @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm Gnome.

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                            • misusecase@twit.socialM misusecase@twit.social

                              @zzt @Wikisteff @nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm After what we’ve all experienced the last 10 years or so “that’s unenforceable” should not be comforting to anyone. Something being unenforceable or totally detached from reality is not going to stop these MFs from trying to do it anyway and they will fuck up *so* many things in the attempt!

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                              @MisuseCase @nerdpr0f @Wikisteff @zzt @rootwyrm @kyle_pegasus It also means they will pick who to enforce it on

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                              • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

                                @zzt IBM, Canonical, Torvalds, and Systemd Dipfuck are falling all over themselves to implement total surveillance at the kernel level. I expect by next week, grub will refuse to boot past an 'Enter your birthdate' prompt.

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                                @rootwyrm @zzt should you put your websote creation date to boot a server?

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                                • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                  @rootwyrm the year is 2026 and linux on the desktop is finally an actual thing my actual dad asked for by name instead of a tired meme

                                  the linux ecosystem is of course using this moment to comply in advance with fascism and embrace slop, ensuring it’ll become the exact operating system that was so terrible not even my dad could stand it

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                                  @zzt @rootwyrm I from some time I fear Linux is going to get eaten from inside by all these corporate interests.
                                  Having Red Hat that dictates what is supposed "standard" was something that had to rose red flags much earlier.

                                  Maybe is time to keep warm a copy of AmigaOS in case everything goes to South badly in the coming years... 😕

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                                  • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

                                    @zzt IBM, Canonical, Torvalds, and Systemd Dipfuck are falling all over themselves to implement total surveillance at the kernel level. I expect by next week, grub will refuse to boot past an 'Enter your birthdate' prompt.

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                                    @rootwyrm @zzt @mwl @mms

                                    "Systemd Dipfuck" That'll be Poettering's new name from now on.

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                                    • soc@chaos.socialS soc@chaos.social

                                      @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm Gnome.

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                                      @soc @zzt @rootwyrm Wayland and GTK, Gnome and systemd.

                                      Wayland kills all small desktop environments and independent window managers, funneling everyone towards Gnome, GTK forces environment-agnostic applications to become gnome specific applications via libadwaita, systemd absorbs every key service running off screen.

                                      the end goal is basically that linux becomes an IBM controlled monolith that you're allowed to look at source code to, if you really really want

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                                      • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

                                        @zzt IBM, Canonical, Torvalds, and Systemd Dipfuck are falling all over themselves to implement total surveillance at the kernel level. I expect by next week, grub will refuse to boot past an 'Enter your birthdate' prompt.

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                                        @rootwyrm @zzt @davidgerard is NTP going to be a hard requirement, now…?

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                                        • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

                                          @zzt IBM, Canonical, Torvalds, and Systemd Dipfuck are falling all over themselves to implement total surveillance at the kernel level. I expect by next week, grub will refuse to boot past an 'Enter your birthdate' prompt.

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                                          @rootwyrm@weird.autos @zzt@mas.to question out of my own ignorance, if you don't mind.
                                          Several distributions/forks are European, so if the EU were to (exceptionally) say "no thanks" to having age checks at the os level, those may be able to stay vaguely sane (at least on this topic), right? Or the distros are so interrelated that once some start caving in, they are all fucked?
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