<![CDATA[consider: linux]]>consider: linux

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/7be1e905-007e-4f71-9ca7-16ea70413bb7/consider-linuxRSS for NodeFri, 01 May 2026 10:35:23 GMTThu, 16 Apr 2026 18:10:14 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 19:23:22 GMT]]>@kyle_pegasus @soc @zzt @rootwyrm What does wayland do to kill small DEs? I follow a dev who on their lonesome develops one: Niri. Are we talking about existing small projects, or is there some nuance of wayland that causes development issues I dont understand?

Afaik there are two high quality bases for wayland compositors: wlroots and smithay. Niri uses smithay.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/scien/statuses/116421676390240883https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/scien/statuses/116421676390240883Fri, 17 Apr 2026 19:23:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 19:12:32 GMT]]>@navi@social.vlhl.dev @zzt@mas.to @soc@chaos.social @rootwyrm@weird.autos @kyle_pegasus@scalie.club there's also canonical's mir; weston is also used for embedded/automotive systems apparently?

if you look deep you'll find all sorts of wlroots inspired projects

so i don't think wayland is "too complex" that it kills small / indie compositors, even if wlroots were to be archived randomly.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zoner.work/notes/al6uni2td8yi000hhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zoner.work/notes/al6uni2td8yi000hFri, 17 Apr 2026 19:12:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 19:08:00 GMT]]>@ada @zzt @soc @rootwyrm @kyle_pegasus (added it on an edit)]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vlhl.dev/objects/3d311d06-1647-4299-b445-25257e80c1d3https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vlhl.dev/objects/3d311d06-1647-4299-b445-25257e80c1d3Fri, 17 Apr 2026 19:08:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 19:07:37 GMT]]>@navi@social.vlhl.dev @zzt@mas.to @soc@chaos.social @rootwyrm@weird.autos @kyle_pegasus@scalie.club smithay

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zoner.work/notes/al6uh6vyd8yi000chttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zoner.work/notes/al6uh6vyd8yi000cFri, 17 Apr 2026 19:07:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 19:07:16 GMT]]>@kyle_pegasus @soc @zzt @rootwyrm

> Wayland kills all small desktop environments and independent window managers

that's just not true

there is wlroots, smithey, and now there is river too which is even simpler than those libraries]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vlhl.dev/objects/0dda0c28-8c43-42b2-918f-7cf73cc78d68https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vlhl.dev/objects/0dda0c28-8c43-42b2-918f-7cf73cc78d68Fri, 17 Apr 2026 19:07:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 16:25:57 GMT]]>@soc @zzt @rootwyrm Wayland pisses me off especially because it's "policy, not mechanism", and the policy is "no you can't"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://scalie.club/users/kyle_pegasus/statuses/116420978761921287https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://scalie.club/users/kyle_pegasus/statuses/116420978761921287Fri, 17 Apr 2026 16:25:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 15:29:33 GMT]]>@kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm Talking to "fans" of these technologies is so fucking infuriating.

Nobody denies that the previous tech stack had problems ... but Wayland, Systemd, Flatpak and so on are not the solutions!

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/soc/statuses/116420756973143695https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/soc/statuses/116420756973143695Fri, 17 Apr 2026 15:29:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 07:25:55 GMT]]>@rootwyrm@weird.autos @zzt@mas.to question out of my own ignorance, if you don't mind.
Several distributions/forks are European, so if the EU were to (exceptionally) say "no thanks" to having age checks at the os level, those may be able to stay vaguely sane (at least on this topic), right? Or the distros are so interrelated that once some start caving in, they are all fucked?]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://misskey.social/notes/al65esfutuhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://misskey.social/notes/al65esfutuFri, 17 Apr 2026 07:25:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 04:36:01 GMT]]>@rootwyrm @zzt @davidgerard is NTP going to be a hard requirement, now…?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.europlus.zone/users/europlus/statuses/116418187213672950https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.europlus.zone/users/europlus/statuses/116418187213672950Fri, 17 Apr 2026 04:36:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 00:46:14 GMT]]>@soc @zzt @rootwyrm Wayland and GTK, Gnome and systemd.

Wayland kills all small desktop environments and independent window managers, funneling everyone towards Gnome, GTK forces environment-agnostic applications to become gnome specific applications via libadwaita, systemd absorbs every key service running off screen.

the end goal is basically that linux becomes an IBM controlled monolith that you're allowed to look at source code to, if you really really want

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://scalie.club/users/kyle_pegasus/statuses/116417283640606513https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://scalie.club/users/kyle_pegasus/statuses/116417283640606513Fri, 17 Apr 2026 00:46:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 00:00:27 GMT]]>@rootwyrm @zzt @mwl @mms

"Systemd Dipfuck" That'll be Poettering's new name from now on.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/agreeable_landfall/statuses/116417103605494726https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/agreeable_landfall/statuses/116417103605494726Fri, 17 Apr 2026 00:00:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 23:20:09 GMT]]>@zzt @rootwyrm I from some time I fear Linux is going to get eaten from inside by all these corporate interests.
Having Red Hat that dictates what is supposed "standard" was something that had to rose red flags much earlier.

Maybe is time to keep warm a copy of AmigaOS in case everything goes to South badly in the coming years... 😕

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://retro-gaiden.com/ap/users/116366512369498550/statuses/116416945156237814https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://retro-gaiden.com/ap/users/116366512369498550/statuses/116416945156237814Thu, 16 Apr 2026 23:20:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 23:13:47 GMT]]>@rootwyrm @zzt should you put your websote creation date to boot a server?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/gkrnours/statuses/116416920106132286https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/gkrnours/statuses/116416920106132286Thu, 16 Apr 2026 23:13:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:51:07 GMT]]>@MisuseCase @nerdpr0f @Wikisteff @zzt @rootwyrm @kyle_pegasus It also means they will pick who to enforce it on

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://functional.cafe/users/hugoestr/statuses/116416595082332137https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://functional.cafe/users/hugoestr/statuses/116416595082332137Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:51:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:50:44 GMT]]>@kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm Gnome.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/soc/statuses/116416593549730950https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/soc/statuses/116416593549730950Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:50:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:47:11 GMT]]>@zzt @Wikisteff @nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm After what we’ve all experienced the last 10 years or so “that’s unenforceable” should not be comforting to anyone. Something being unenforceable or totally detached from reality is not going to stop these MFs from trying to do it anyway and they will fuck up *so* many things in the attempt!

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://twit.social/users/MisuseCase/statuses/116416579609410857https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://twit.social/users/MisuseCase/statuses/116416579609410857Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:47:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:29:01 GMT]]>@zzt @Wikisteff @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm No, not at all. I know that this is, basically, aimed at trying to eliminate anonymity online for the purposes of mass surveillance.

I'm not a lawyer, but I wonder if (at least in the us) this may give raise to a "Selective Enforcement" defense.

Also, I'm just exhausted with all of it and I'm enjoying the pedantry.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/nerdpr0f/statuses/116416508190695589https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/nerdpr0f/statuses/116416508190695589Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:29:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:17:44 GMT]]>@Wikisteff @nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm the point of these laws isn’t to be consistent. the point of these laws is to harm you and me. the people proposing and enforcing these laws don’t give a fuck what an operating system is, only that it’s a concept they can use as a weapon. do you really think you’re going to be explaining to the cops what an embedded system is if they come to your house thirsting for your fucking head?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/zzt/statuses/116416463821976266https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/zzt/statuses/116416463821976266Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:17:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:14:07 GMT]]>@nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm I guess we'll have to do the equivalent of "Running Doom on your air conditioner display panel", but for how much serious linux can you get out of an anonymous headless linux distro...

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Wikisteff/statuses/116416449589305092https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Wikisteff/statuses/116416449589305092Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:14:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:12:57 GMT]]>@nerdpr0f @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm This is a fantastic point, and a huge deal moving forward. Android will have all this, but embedded systems? No way.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Wikisteff/statuses/116416445008575238https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Wikisteff/statuses/116416445008575238Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:12:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:11:54 GMT]]>@Wikisteff @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm I know it's pedantic and not the real problem, but I'm very curious how they define "operating system".

My furnace has a logic board in it that, I think, is running some embedded, realtime OS. Do I need my ID to change my thermostat (which probably has it's own OS)?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/nerdpr0f/statuses/116416440850440095https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/nerdpr0f/statuses/116416440850440095Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:11:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:06:27 GMT]]>@kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm Entryism at its finest.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Wikisteff/statuses/116416419411330084https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Wikisteff/statuses/116416419411330084Thu, 16 Apr 2026 21:06:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:59:14 GMT]]>@rootwyrm @zzt oh, shit: Torvalds too‽😢

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mattstodon.panar.ooo/users/eigen/statuses/116416391043844425https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mattstodon.panar.ooo/users/eigen/statuses/116416391043844425Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:59:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to consider: linux on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:42:24 GMT]]>@zzt @rootwyrm I've been saying it for a couple years. entire linux ecosystem is dominated by a couple big corpo gorillas and their projects exist to supplant pre-existing ones they do not control

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://scalie.club/users/kyle_pegasus/statuses/116416324877166164https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://scalie.club/users/kyle_pegasus/statuses/116416324877166164Thu, 16 Apr 2026 20:42:24 GMT