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  • erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netE erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net
    @fay @res260 @cwebber there's lots of code for which no reusable template could be created that is nonetheless rote
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    @erincandescent @res260 @cwebber respectfully, that's not my experience 🙂 If the task is specific enough to require human intervention, then it shouldn't be left to a stochastic code generator either

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    • erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netE erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net
      @fay @cwebber @res260 is this a failure of ours? Perhaps. But it's the sum product of millions of small failures, not something easily corrected
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      @erincandescent @res260 @cwebber with the hundreds of billions of dollars burned to make stochastic code generators that only sort of work (and at horrific ethical costs), i dare say that we could have developed adequate tooling instead, and we still can

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      • fay@lingo.lolF fay@lingo.lol

        @erincandescent @res260 @cwebber with the hundreds of billions of dollars burned to make stochastic code generators that only sort of work (and at horrific ethical costs), i dare say that we could have developed adequate tooling instead, and we still can

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        @fay @res260 @cwebber it's a coordination problem, not an effort problem. If everyone agreed to use the one serialisation format with the one schema language, with the one runtime environment, ...
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        • erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netE erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net
          @fay @res260 @cwebber it's a coordination problem, not an effort problem. If everyone agreed to use the one serialisation format with the one schema language, with the one runtime environment, ...
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          #100

          @erincandescent @res260 @cwebber i mean a lot of people are agreeing to use the one llm right now, it seems

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            Also https://bsky.app/profile/pfrazee.com/post/3meogr22l3k2d

            > A year ago, I thought LLMs were kind of neat but not that useful. I saw the code autocomplete and thought, meh.
            >
            >Last summer just flipped. I never ever thought I would see automated code generation like we see now.
            >
            > I know there’s baggage but you need to know the coders are being real about this

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            #101

            @cwebber Is there something funky going on? bsky seems to be down, at least in Europe.

            And the post seems blocked by a labeler in blacksky https://blacksky.community/profile/did:plc:ragtjsm2j2vknwkz3zp4oxrd/post/3meogr22l3k2d

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            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

              Also https://bsky.app/profile/samuel.fm/post/3mbz27d6qnc2v

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              #102

              Welp, there we go https://bsky.app/profile/why.bsky.team/post/3mgaqaaisfs2e

              > Oh interesting, people who don’t know how to build software are getting mad at my post about building software. Cute.
              >
              > Let me be clear, over the next year, the job of software engineer will shift dramatically to no longer have typing syntax into an editor as its primary time sink.

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                Welp, there we go https://bsky.app/profile/why.bsky.team/post/3mgaqaaisfs2e

                > Oh interesting, people who don’t know how to build software are getting mad at my post about building software. Cute.
                >
                > Let me be clear, over the next year, the job of software engineer will shift dramatically to no longer have typing syntax into an editor as its primary time sink.

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                #103

                @cwebber yeah he's still his insufferable arrogant idiot self

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  Welp, there we go https://bsky.app/profile/why.bsky.team/post/3mgaqaaisfs2e

                  > Oh interesting, people who don’t know how to build software are getting mad at my post about building software. Cute.
                  >
                  > Let me be clear, over the next year, the job of software engineer will shift dramatically to no longer have typing syntax into an editor as its primary time sink.

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                  @cwebber Typing is their primary timesink while developing? Not thinking?

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                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                    Welp, there we go https://bsky.app/profile/why.bsky.team/post/3mgaqaaisfs2e

                    > Oh interesting, people who don’t know how to build software are getting mad at my post about building software. Cute.
                    >
                    > Let me be clear, over the next year, the job of software engineer will shift dramatically to no longer have typing syntax into an editor as its primary time sink.

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                    #105

                    @cwebber The idea that the primary timesink of a software engineer is typing is bizarre.

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      Welp, there we go https://bsky.app/profile/why.bsky.team/post/3mgaqaaisfs2e

                      > Oh interesting, people who don’t know how to build software are getting mad at my post about building software. Cute.
                      >
                      > Let me be clear, over the next year, the job of software engineer will shift dramatically to no longer have typing syntax into an editor as its primary time sink.

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                      #106

                      @cwebber I'm really not a huge fan of how ready people seem to be to just completely relinquish their ability to code. It does not take long for your brain to wallpaper over entire skillsets.

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        Welp, there we go https://bsky.app/profile/why.bsky.team/post/3mgaqaaisfs2e

                        > Oh interesting, people who don’t know how to build software are getting mad at my post about building software. Cute.
                        >
                        > Let me be clear, over the next year, the job of software engineer will shift dramatically to no longer have typing syntax into an editor as its primary time sink.

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                        #107

                        @cwebber LLMs write better code* until the investors come knocking for their payouts, then the price goes up and LLMs aren't writing any code.

                        * they don't

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                        • brad@m.toad.hostB brad@m.toad.host

                          @cwebber I'm really not a huge fan of how ready people seem to be to just completely relinquish their ability to code. It does not take long for your brain to wallpaper over entire skillsets.

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                          @cwebber also, I can see this type of situation very, very easily spiraling into a classic "death by convenience."
                          How long until the primary engineers no longer understand the how their program is built or what motivated ostensibly insignificant decisions that eventually add up

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