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The v 8 bullshit is still circulating as serious alternative 🤦

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  • tschaefer@ipv6.socialT tschaefer@ipv6.social

    The v 8 bullshit is still circulating as serious alternative 🤦

    Unfortunately also tagged with IPv6 😭

    And of course with the beautiful framing like "the IETF revealed a new proposal".

    Jre anpu nyyra Frvgra bssra vfg, vfg avpug zrue tnam qvpug!

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    @tschaefer In a sense it's great: It produces an implicit list of media publishers without any competence in contextualizing information.

    Unangekündigte Medienkompetenzübung.

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    • tschaefer@ipv6.socialT tschaefer@ipv6.social

      "In most cases, a minor software update to various systems is all that’s needed. "

      Just further 30 years to complete 🤨

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      @tschaefer At the current rate, the proposal -- which I will not even dignify with a name -- will become a litmus test, to detect people who genuinely do not understand one iota of network complexity, or history for that matter.

      Such people must never be put in charge of anything more complicated than plugging in an Ethernet cord.

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      • tschaefer@ipv6.socialT tschaefer@ipv6.social

        "In most cases, a minor software update to various systems is all that’s needed. "

        Just further 30 years to complete 🤨

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        @tschaefer I like that it expires in October. Without a valid proof of concept, that’ll be the end of it.

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        • ghostinthenet@hachyderm.ioG ghostinthenet@hachyderm.io

          @tschaefer I like that it expires in October. Without a valid proof of concept, that’ll be the end of it.

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          @ghostinthenet

          Then comes the next proposal...

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          • tschaefer@ipv6.socialT tschaefer@ipv6.social

            @ghostinthenet

            Then comes the next proposal...

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            There has been a steady stream of bad proposals and some Aprils Fools jokes making fun of those.

            I think the proposals themselves are not the real problem here, but rather they are a symptom of a problem. The actual problem I think is people looking for excuses to not deploy IPv6. And whenever they see an alternative proposal they see that as another excuse they can use.

            I am not sure these proposals are doing any harm. The mindset of the people who endorse them can slow down IPv6 deployments without needing stupid alternative proposals.

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            • kasperd@westergaard.socialK kasperd@westergaard.social

              There has been a steady stream of bad proposals and some Aprils Fools jokes making fun of those.

              I think the proposals themselves are not the real problem here, but rather they are a symptom of a problem. The actual problem I think is people looking for excuses to not deploy IPv6. And whenever they see an alternative proposal they see that as another excuse they can use.

              I am not sure these proposals are doing any harm. The mindset of the people who endorse them can slow down IPv6 deployments without needing stupid alternative proposals.

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              @kasperd @tschaefer Agreed. We’ve hit 50% IPv6 deployment (if we use Google as a reference) so we’re in a good position to start using their argument against them. If trying to shore up IPv4 made sense because it was the majority protocol at the time, it’s worth finally committing to IPv6 now that it has taken the crown.

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              • litchralee_v6@ipv6.socialL litchralee_v6@ipv6.social

                @tschaefer At the current rate, the proposal -- which I will not even dignify with a name -- will become a litmus test, to detect people who genuinely do not understand one iota of network complexity, or history for that matter.

                Such people must never be put in charge of anything more complicated than plugging in an Ethernet cord.

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                @litchralee_v6 @tschaefer ...and even then they'd likely loop the network.

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                • tschaefer@ipv6.socialT tschaefer@ipv6.social

                  The v 8 bullshit is still circulating as serious alternative 🤦

                  Unfortunately also tagged with IPv6 😭

                  And of course with the beautiful framing like "the IETF revealed a new proposal".

                  Jre anpu nyyra Frvgra bssra vfg, vfg avpug zrue tnam qvpug!

                  jima@mspsocial.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @tschaefer I know the general consensus is that it's a joke or some sort of AI test, but then I found... 😑

                  https://archive.is/JBNEH

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                  • tschaefer@ipv6.socialT tschaefer@ipv6.social

                    @ghostinthenet

                    Then comes the next proposal...

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                    #15

                    @tschaefer @ghostinthenet It's on its third iteration... 😬

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                    • jima@mspsocial.netJ jima@mspsocial.net

                      @tschaefer @ghostinthenet It's on its third iteration... 😬

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                      @jima @tschaefer @ghostinthenet Do IETF proposals get their TTL extended when there's a revision?

                      I would support additional meowing in the only proposal that's worth talking about, just to make sure it sticks around. 🐱

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                      • litchralee_v6@ipv6.socialL litchralee_v6@ipv6.social

                        @jima @tschaefer @ghostinthenet Do IETF proposals get their TTL extended when there's a revision?

                        I would support additional meowing in the only proposal that's worth talking about, just to make sure it sticks around. 🐱

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                        @litchralee_v6 @tschaefer @ghostinthenet You tell me. 😛

                        https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-thain-ipv8-00&url2=draft-thain-ipv8-02&difftype=--hwdiff

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                        • jima@mspsocial.netJ jima@mspsocial.net

                          @litchralee_v6 @tschaefer @ghostinthenet You tell me. 😛

                          https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-thain-ipv8-00&url2=draft-thain-ipv8-02&difftype=--hwdiff

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                          @jima @tschaefer @ghostinthenet The thing is, I'd prefer to never have to see that dismal document ever again. Its very existence exudes categorical error.

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                          • litchralee_v6@ipv6.socialL litchralee_v6@ipv6.social

                            @jima @tschaefer @ghostinthenet The thing is, I'd prefer to never have to see that dismal document ever again. Its very existence exudes categorical error.

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                            @litchralee_v6 @tschaefer @ghostinthenet Can I make matters worse by providing his rationale? 🤭

                            archive.is

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                            (archive.is)

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                            • jima@mspsocial.netJ jima@mspsocial.net

                              @litchralee_v6 @tschaefer @ghostinthenet Can I make matters worse by providing his rationale? 🤭

                              archive.is

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                              (archive.is)

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                              @jima @tschaefer @ghostinthenet For different reasons, I no longer use archive\.is links or visit them

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                              • litchralee_v6@ipv6.socialL litchralee_v6@ipv6.social

                                @jima @tschaefer @ghostinthenet For different reasons, I no longer use archive\.is links or visit them

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                                @litchralee_v6 @tschaefer @ghostinthenet It wasn't my first choice, but the Wayback Machine can't scrape LinkedIn posts, apparently. 😒

                                Got a better alternative? I'm game.

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                                • jima@mspsocial.netJ jima@mspsocial.net

                                  @litchralee_v6 @tschaefer @ghostinthenet It wasn't my first choice, but the Wayback Machine can't scrape LinkedIn posts, apparently. 😒

                                  Got a better alternative? I'm game.

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                                  @jima @tschaefer @ghostinthenet In some ways, I think it's perfect that LinkedIn content stays wholly contained within that platform lol

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                                  • jima@mspsocial.netJ jima@mspsocial.net

                                    @litchralee_v6 @tschaefer @ghostinthenet It wasn't my first choice, but the Wayback Machine can't scrape LinkedIn posts, apparently. 😒

                                    Got a better alternative? I'm game.

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                                    It's also missing IPv6 support, which is my primary reason for using archive.is.

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                                    • jima@mspsocial.netJ jima@mspsocial.net

                                      @litchralee_v6 @tschaefer @ghostinthenet Can I make matters worse by providing his rationale? 🤭

                                      archive.is

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                                      That's utter BS. Here are some of the lies I spotted in that document:

                                      • IPv8 the new IP protocol that reduces risk, and complexity
                                      • IPv6 requires you to run two networks forever
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