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  3. You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait.

You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait.

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  • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

    You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

    There's just one problem.

    The US never ratified that treaty.

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    @theleftistlawyer
    It also withdrew pre-emptively from the International Criminal Court in 2002 when George W. Bush decided it was okay to torture Iraqi prisoners of war.

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    • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

      You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

      There's just one problem.

      The US never ratified that treaty.

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      @theleftistlawyer "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Frank Wilhoit

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      • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

        You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

        There's just one problem.

        The US never ratified that treaty.

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        @theleftistlawyer And neither did Iran or Israel. Israel never even signed.

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        • theleftistlawyer@mastodon.socialT theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social

          You're probably hearing a lot from Marco Rubio and the US State Department about international law and the Strait of Hormuz, and that Iran cannot legally close the Strait. Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that's true!

          There's just one problem.

          The US never ratified that treaty.

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          @theleftistlawyer For those that are interested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea

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          • benhm3@saint-paul.usB benhm3@saint-paul.us

            @theleftistlawyer

            Right, legally, one can’t close the airspace over one’s house by firing a machine gun into the air.

            There’s the itty bitty matter of getting one to stop once they start.

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            @BenHM3 @theleftistlawyer The Strait is narrow enough to be Iranian territorial waters, as well as Oman on the other side. As I understand it Oman signed a treaty that Iran did not sign.

            The whole concept of territorial waters, the traditional six-mile limit, came from how far one could shoot a cannon from a shore fort.

            International law tends to conform to physical reality since there is no 911 to call when your neighbor pisses on your lawn.

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            • ninestonesclose@mastodon.socialN ninestonesclose@mastodon.social

              @theleftistlawyer the government of the USA of A making up shit as they go along, shoot from the hip, yee haw … dumbasses … doesn’t Israel tell the USA what to do now anyway?

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              @NineStonesClose @theleftistlawyer If you mean ”Israel controls the US”, that’s a classic antisemitic propaganda trope. If you mean ”Trump does what the last person he spoke to said”, that’s probably true.

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              • ahltorp@mastodon.nuA ahltorp@mastodon.nu

                @NineStonesClose @theleftistlawyer If you mean ”Israel controls the US”, that’s a classic antisemitic propaganda trope. If you mean ”Trump does what the last person he spoke to said”, that’s probably true.

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                @ahltorp @theleftistlawyer antisemitism is often used as an excuse by the uneducated and the politicians to shout down anything said these days against the current genocidal expansionist Israeli state. You maybe need to read some books about what antisemitism actually means.

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                • ninestonesclose@mastodon.socialN ninestonesclose@mastodon.social

                  @ahltorp @theleftistlawyer antisemitism is often used as an excuse by the uneducated and the politicians to shout down anything said these days against the current genocidal expansionist Israeli state. You maybe need to read some books about what antisemitism actually means.

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                  @NineStonesClose @theleftistlawyer What I wrote was that it’s a ”classic antisemitic propaganda trope”. It’s dangerously close to what some people are saying that’s actually antisemitic, so please tread carefully.

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                  • ahltorp@mastodon.nuA ahltorp@mastodon.nu

                    @NineStonesClose @theleftistlawyer What I wrote was that it’s a ”classic antisemitic propaganda trope”. It’s dangerously close to what some people are saying that’s actually antisemitic, so please tread carefully.

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                    @NineStonesClose @theleftistlawyer Example: https://tldr.nettime.org/@rasmusfleischer/116255229245842899

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                    • tkissing@mastodon.socialT tkissing@mastodon.social

                      @theleftistlawyer "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Frank Wilhoit

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                      @theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social @tkissing@mastodon.social 10/10 quote reference but just a note that that quote is actually from a random internet person who happened to share a last name with that guy

                      still a great quote

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                      • xeno@hexokina.seX xeno@hexokina.se

                        @theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social @tkissing@mastodon.social 10/10 quote reference but just a note that that quote is actually from a random internet person who happened to share a last name with that guy

                        still a great quote

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                        @xeno @theleftistlawyer The "random Internet person" is Francis 'Frank' Wilhoit, a composer usually going by Frank Wilhoit. "That guy" was Francis Marion 'Frank' Wilhoit, a political scientist going by Francis M. Wilhoit. So based on the names these people used in their publish work, I did attribute correctly 🙂

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                        • ahltorp@mastodon.nuA ahltorp@mastodon.nu

                          @NineStonesClose @theleftistlawyer Example: https://tldr.nettime.org/@rasmusfleischer/116255229245842899

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                          @ahltorp @theleftistlawyer yes, it’s an example of a case by a political philosopher who is well known for being provocative and confrontational. Nothing to do with my original comment though. When there is evidence, people can use any label they like, It also doesn’t make it fact. https://www.britannica.com/topic/antisemitism/Nazi-antisemitism-and-the-Holocaust

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                          • tkissing@mastodon.socialT tkissing@mastodon.social

                            @xeno @theleftistlawyer The "random Internet person" is Francis 'Frank' Wilhoit, a composer usually going by Frank Wilhoit. "That guy" was Francis Marion 'Frank' Wilhoit, a political scientist going by Francis M. Wilhoit. So based on the names these people used in their publish work, I did attribute correctly 🙂

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                            @theleftistlawyer@mastodon.social @tkissing@mastodon.social oh my bad lol

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                            • rapsneezy@mastodon.socialR rapsneezy@mastodon.social

                              @theleftistlawyer

                              Isn't the USA blockading Cuba?

                              Venezuela?

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                              @rapsneezy @theleftistlawyer
                              > blockading Cuba?
                              Partially. Russian vessels vetted by Anatoly Kolodkin can pass freely. Last one docked at Matanzas pier past Tuesday, iirc.

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