Your phone is about to stop being yours.
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the pixel 3XL is dirt cheap and is a great device. you can even put postmarketos on it wich is better freedom wise. also. idk what part of the world you live in but my 8a was like 300USD buyed on chicago. on europe they are like 400-500
@purplekairi1312 @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven Pixel 3 XL is now an insecure, end-of-life device and shouldn't be used anymore. Using a mainline kernel and drivers doesn't address this since it still won't have crucial firmware updates. It has numerous unpatched remote code execution vulnerabilities in firmware including for the GPU, cellular, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and NFC.
postmarketOS has drastically less privacy and security which seems to be what you mean by 'better freedom wise'.
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@purplekairi1312 @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven Pixel 3 XL is now an insecure, end-of-life device and shouldn't be used anymore. Using a mainline kernel and drivers doesn't address this since it still won't have crucial firmware updates. It has numerous unpatched remote code execution vulnerabilities in firmware including for the GPU, cellular, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and NFC.
postmarketOS has drastically less privacy and security which seems to be what you mean by 'better freedom wise'.
thats right. more security and or privacy conflicts with freedom
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thats right. more security and or privacy conflicts with freedom
@purplekairi1312 @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven That doesn't make much sense. Privacy and security are important for protecting freedom. Choosing to use an OS with a stronger privacy and security model where apps run in a mandatory app sandbox reduces the freedom of apps, not the user. The user has a choice to use another OS without those restrictions which is what provides them freedom. Their choice to use GrapheneOS isn't a limitation on their freedom, that's not how it works.
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@purplekairi1312 @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven That doesn't make much sense. Privacy and security are important for protecting freedom. Choosing to use an OS with a stronger privacy and security model where apps run in a mandatory app sandbox reduces the freedom of apps, not the user. The user has a choice to use another OS without those restrictions which is what provides them freedom. Their choice to use GrapheneOS isn't a limitation on their freedom, that's not how it works.
@purplekairi1312 @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven People choosing to use GrapheneOS aren't giving up their freedom but rather exercising it. The the ability to unlock the device and install another OS is what provides freedom over the software on the device. A choice to use an OS with strong privacy and security model where unsandboxed apps and a root shell don't fit into it isn't a loss of freedom. A stock Pixel OS user has the same freedom to replace/modify the software too.
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@GrapheneOS @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven It seems to me like if your usage model is just, "I need an old cheap phone to do some basic stuff and I'm not in a high-security-needs situation", LineageOS is right there. If you have reason to be more paranoid (and these days, whooo boy don't we all), GrapheneOS is holding the bar higher.
Works for me. Sometimes you just need the old garbage phone to function enough to be an offline alarm clock, and sometimes you need to make sure your data isn't stolen by fascist cyberwarfare psychos.
@joshg @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven Using a device without basic privacy and security updates is a serious problem for most people even if they don't realize it. LineageOS doesn't provide crucial privacy and security patches for the firmware, kernel, drivers and HALs for an end-of-life device. It's still going to be unsafe to use due to having many severe known vulnerabilities unpatched including ones with publicly available exploit code. It's worse than you think.
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@joshg @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven Using a device without basic privacy and security updates is a serious problem for most people even if they don't realize it. LineageOS doesn't provide crucial privacy and security patches for the firmware, kernel, drivers and HALs for an end-of-life device. It's still going to be unsafe to use due to having many severe known vulnerabilities unpatched including ones with publicly available exploit code. It's worse than you think.
@joshg @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven Not receiving updates to the firmware, Linux kernel, drivers and HALs is a big deal and you're not getting those with what you're describing. The comparison is between poor privacy and atrocious security due to lack of standard patches and protections vs. a far more reasonable level of privacy and security with GrapheneOS. GrapheneOS is drastically more private and secure but you're setting a very low bar for the comparison.
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@joshg @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven Not receiving updates to the firmware, Linux kernel, drivers and HALs is a big deal and you're not getting those with what you're describing. The comparison is between poor privacy and atrocious security due to lack of standard patches and protections vs. a far more reasonable level of privacy and security with GrapheneOS. GrapheneOS is drastically more private and secure but you're setting a very low bar for the comparison.
@joshg @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven AOSP is far more private and secure than most Android operating systems. GrapheneOS is far more private and secure than AOSP.
However, GrapheneOS still has a long way to go to provide what should be standard privacy and security for anyone's personal computing device. Computer privacy and security is nowhere close to good enough for regular people even with GrapheneOS or iOS. It should be far better and it does matter to people.
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@fishidwardrobe Yes, it does. That was my point.
@lproven the post says there's no way to opt out. the web page says there might be.
i'm free to point that out for those that don't want to click on the link. actually, i'm free to point that out, regardless?
unless you're actually disagreeing with me, i'm not sure you *have* a point.
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Your phone is about to stop being yours.
Keep Android Open
Your phone is about to stop being yours. In September 2026, Google will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with them.
(keepandroidopen.org)
125 days until lockdown
Starting September 2026, a silent update, nonconsensually pushed by Google, will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with Google, signed their contract, paid up, and handed over government ID.
Every app and every device, worldwide, with no opt-out.
@lproven Does this change reach also into the clones/forks that exist?
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@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven We have a partnership with Motorola where we're working with them on their next generation flagships meeting all of our update and security feature requirements. Those devices will provide official support for using GrapheneOS. Motorola is actively working on providing all the required updates and features along with porting GrapheneOS to the devices. This is a large amount of work, not a quick process.
GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)
We're happy to announce a long-term partnership with Motorola. We're collaborating on future devices meeting our privacy and security standards with official GrapheneOS support. https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/
GrapheneOS Mastodon (grapheneos.social)
@GrapheneOS @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven
How about picking a mid-level phone as well as a flagship to port to? Not all of us privacy and security wonks can afford a four-figure phone...
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@ottercynical @lopta @lproven WITH the apps one need?**
** When I say need, I'm talking about things like the Android apps that talk to the glucose monitoring system and similar.
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@GrapheneOS @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven
How about picking a mid-level phone as well as a flagship to port to? Not all of us privacy and security wonks can afford a four-figure phone...
@stonebear2 @GrapheneOS @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven
mid level would really take off, if people had the choice between google or open source
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Your phone is about to stop being yours.
Keep Android Open
Your phone is about to stop being yours. In September 2026, Google will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with them.
(keepandroidopen.org)
125 days until lockdown
Starting September 2026, a silent update, nonconsensually pushed by Google, will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with Google, signed their contract, paid up, and handed over government ID.
Every app and every device, worldwide, with no opt-out.
@lproven it was already not my phone.
their insistance on making the phone incredible hard to root already made it so but if that wasn't enough they also took out
headphone jacks (can't listen to music in public because I can't plug my headphones in.)
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@lproven Does this change reach also into the clones/forks that exist?
@androcat This is a little more complex than a simple yes/no answer.
If they use the Google Play store and apps from it, then yes.
And although most alternative phone OSes I've seen do not make it a core component, they almost all offer it as an add-on because AOSP is almost useless without the Google apps.
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@androcat This is a little more complex than a simple yes/no answer.
If they use the Google Play store and apps from it, then yes.
And although most alternative phone OSes I've seen do not make it a core component, they almost all offer it as an add-on because AOSP is almost useless without the Google apps.
@lproven Won't each android-based OS be able to decide whether to allow alternative stores?
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@ottercynical @lopta @lproven WITH the apps one need?**
** When I say need, I'm talking about things like the Android apps that talk to the glucose monitoring system and similar.
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@ottercynical @lopta @lproven Then, horrid as Google's ideas are, there are no alternatives.
We need to attack the root cause of this.
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@dademurphy @lproven
"the software is not" - the software I write absolutely is mine, and Google want me to pay them to install my own software on my own phone."you can’t own the land that it’s on" - yes you can. People can buy a block of land and build on it. Property investors own a lot of empty blocks of land (as well as empty houses).
"don’t pay your property tax " - that's for maintenance of the supporting infrastructure of your residence, such as roads, water, electricity,...
@SmartmanApps @lproven unless you’re creating an app to run on a device that isn’t based on AOSP(Linux, maybe), you’re still using their software. As far as the rest of your rant, that is the exception and not the rule and you very well knew that, you just thought you had something clever to say which you clearly don’t.
The fact still stands, you own the hardware not the software it runs on.
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@SmartmanApps @lproven unless you’re creating an app to run on a device that isn’t based on AOSP(Linux, maybe), you’re still using their software. As far as the rest of your rant, that is the exception and not the rule and you very well knew that, you just thought you had something clever to say which you clearly don’t.
The fact still stands, you own the hardware not the software it runs on.
@dademurphy @lproven
"you’re still using their software" - which came bundled on the device I purchased and own"that is the exception and not the rule" - no it isn't!
"you very well knew that" - I very well know you're gaslighting now
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@dademurphy @lproven
"you’re still using their software" - which came bundled on the device I purchased and own"that is the exception and not the rule" - no it isn't!
"you very well knew that" - I very well know you're gaslighting now
@SmartmanApps @lproven dude, give it a rest, you’re just making yourself look silly. You purchased a license to use their software, you do not own it, fact.
You can buy a piece of property, but if you don’t pay your taxes on that property, you can lose it, also a fact. I know what it covers which is EXACTLY why they can take your property back if you don’t pay it.
I have no clue where you live, but reality obviously isn’t it. Take the L and move on.
