Your phone is about to stop being yours.

[tina@mastodon.babb.no]

@ottercynical @lopta @lproven WITH the apps one need?**

** When I say need, I'm talking about things like the Android apps that talk to the glucose monitoring system and similar.

[captain_jack_sparrow@mastodon.world]

@stonebear2 @GrapheneOS @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven

mid level would really take off, if people had the choice between google or open source

[loganer@mastodon.social]

@lproven it was already not my phone.

their insistance on making the phone incredible hard to root already made it so but if that wasn't enough they also took out

headphone jacks (can't listen to music in public because I can't plug my headphones in.)
and
sd card slots (so now I have to transfer files over the network using a python http server because the usb-c always seems to corrupt files for whatever reason.).

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@androcat This is a little more complex than a simple yes/no answer.

If they use the Google Play store and apps from it, then yes.

And although most alternative phone OSes I've seen do not make it a core component, they almost all offer it as an add-on because AOSP is almost useless without the Google apps.

[androcat@toot.cat]

@lproven Won't each android-based OS be able to decide whether to allow alternative stores?
Or will it be a situation where it's baked into the kernel they rely on?

[ottercynical@is.nota.live]

@tina @lopta @lproven Nope.

[tina@mastodon.babb.no]

@ottercynical @lopta @lproven Then, horrid as Google's ideas are, there are no alternatives.

We need to attack the root cause of this.

[dademurphy@toot.community]

@SmartmanApps @lproven unless you’re creating an app to run on a device that isn’t based on AOSP(Linux, maybe), you’re still using their software. As far as the rest of your rant, that is the exception and not the rule and you very well knew that, you just thought you had something clever to say which you clearly don’t.

The fact still stands, you own the hardware not the software it runs on.

[smartmanapps@dotnet.social]

@dademurphy @lproven
"you’re still using their software" - which came bundled on the device I purchased and own

"that is the exception and not the rule" - no it isn't!

"you very well knew that" - I very well know you're gaslighting now

[dademurphy@toot.community]

@SmartmanApps @lproven dude, give it a rest, you’re just making yourself look silly. You purchased a license to use their software, you do not own it, fact.

You can buy a piece of property, but if you don’t pay your taxes on that property, you can lose it, also a fact. I know what it covers which is EXACTLY why they can take your property back if you don’t pay it.

I have no clue where you live, but reality obviously isn’t it. Take the L and move on.

[smartmanapps@dotnet.social]

@dademurphy @lproven
"you’re just making yourself look silly" - it's weird that only people who can't back up their "facts" ever say that to me

"if you don’t pay your taxes on that property, you can lose it" - just like you can lose anything that you OWN as debt recovery

[dademurphy@toot.community]

@SmartmanApps @lproven the facts are right in front of you, you’re just too dense to acknowledge it or maybe your pride won’t allow you to admit you’re wrong.

You knew I was talking about the OS, yet you thought mentioning that you develop your own apps, changes anything about what I said, it does not. It doesn’t really matter how you twist it, you own the phone, not the OS, period.

[smartmanapps@dotnet.social]

@dademurphy @lproven
"your pride won’t allow you to admit you’re wrong" - says person who won't admit they were wrong about "you can’t own the land that it’s on" #EveryAccusationIsAConfession

[dezon@chaos.social]

@lproven how about forking AOSP? Not sure if that is even viable or doable, just curious to see what the thoughts are about that.

[wbpeckham@techhub.social]

@lproven @aburka @AAKL @janvlug @zetabeta @ferricoxide @geomaster337 @MattMerk @johnhenrythe3rd @lopta @InkySchwartz @gbsills Not one non-google OS is compatible with my $250USD Bold-N4. And the closest match to it in non-googled phones is about $1000USD. There is another for a bit less, but it's not available in the US.

[joshg@mathstodon.xyz]

@stonebear2
the _a models are mid-level. (eg pixel 7a that I'm using right now)
@GrapheneOS @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven

[gbsills@social.vivaldi.net]

@ferricoxide @janvlug @lopta @aburka @MattMerk @lproven @InkySchwartz @AAKL @geomaster337 @zetabeta @johnhenrythe3rd I would take the lazy approach.
1. Pick something like a low-end Samsung. The hardware is fine and it is cheap.
2. Change the launcher to something other than Samsung or stock Android. (I use Nova and it works fine but there are several others. It's UI is fine)
3. Replace the search with Duck Duck Go or something similar. The Duck Duck Go search engine buys data from Google and Bing, so you get the same search results you would have gotten from one of those search engines before the AI kicked in.

This isn't great, but I suspect it is better than using Linux for now. Don't get me wrong, I used Linux as may everyday ride on my computer, but I haven't heard good things about Linux phones.

[stonebear2@hachyderm.io]

@joshg

The point is, NOT GOOGLE.

@GrapheneOS @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven

[johnhenrythe3rd@mastodon.social]

@gbsills @ferricoxide @janvlug @lopta @aburka @MattMerk @lproven @InkySchwartz @AAKL @geomaster337 @zetabeta I have a Jolla on order, so I hope all will be well.

[gbsills@social.vivaldi.net]

@AAKL @ferricoxide @janvlug @lopta @aburka @MattMerk @lproven @InkySchwartz @geomaster337 @zetabeta @johnhenrythe3rd You can get away from Google's search engine on Android by replacing the launcher and then making another search engine your default and adding a widget to you screen. It's pretty easy.