Your phone is about to stop being yours.
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@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven Privacy depends on patching privacy vulnerabilities and providing much better privacy protections against not only apps installed on the device but also more than that. As an example, GrapheneOS has multiple patches for Android VPN leaks and is working on exhaustively fixing all of the remaining forms of VPN leaks. If you're not on GrapheneOS then you have regular DNS and other VPN leaks which are addressed by it when using a VPN.
@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven Privacy also does depend on security and exploitation of privacy and security vulnerabilities is definitely not limited to widespread attacks. Exploiting vulnerabilities which aren't publicly disclosed is also far different from exploiting ones which have been publicly disclosed for a while already. Not having patches for known vulnerabilities is a serious problem and you're greatly underestimating how bad it is to be missing those.
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@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven Privacy also does depend on security and exploitation of privacy and security vulnerabilities is definitely not limited to widespread attacks. Exploiting vulnerabilities which aren't publicly disclosed is also far different from exploiting ones which have been publicly disclosed for a while already. Not having patches for known vulnerabilities is a serious problem and you're greatly underestimating how bad it is to be missing those.
@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven It's a common misconception that GrapheneOS is a security project rather than a privacy project. It's also a common misconception that it's not useful to people who aren't being specifically targeted with any sophisticated attacks. You should read the recent thread we published at https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116409470597056090 directly addressing both of those.
It's important for everyone to have devices with patching known vulnerabilities at a minimum.
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@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven It's a common misconception that GrapheneOS is a security project rather than a privacy project. It's also a common misconception that it's not useful to people who aren't being specifically targeted with any sophisticated attacks. You should read the recent thread we published at https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116409470597056090 directly addressing both of those.
It's important for everyone to have devices with patching known vulnerabilities at a minimum.
@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven The negligent attitude towards privacy/security patches and protections is why the internet is increasingly centralized behind a few services such as Cloudflare for DDoS attack protection. Unpatched devices hurt other people too. The largest DDoS attacks are mainly done with devices in people's homes using increasingly fast residential internet: laptops, desktops, phones, tablets, IoT devices and routers.
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@GrapheneOS @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven
Why not give us an alternative to a google product
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven Pixels are the only adequately secure devices where it's possible to use another OS. Our standard for hardware security isn't currently very high but rather we expect a reasonable pace of updates covering firmware, drivers and HALs along with support for using recent Linux kernel branches still receiving support which we update ourselves. We also require industry standard security features recommended but not required by Android.
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@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven Pixels are the only adequately secure devices where it's possible to use another OS. Our standard for hardware security isn't currently very high but rather we expect a reasonable pace of updates covering firmware, drivers and HALs along with support for using recent Linux kernel branches still receiving support which we update ourselves. We also require industry standard security features recommended but not required by Android.
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven We have a partnership with Motorola where we're working with them on their next generation flagships meeting all of our update and security feature requirements. Those devices will provide official support for using GrapheneOS. Motorola is actively working on providing all the required updates and features along with porting GrapheneOS to the devices. This is a large amount of work, not a quick process.
GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)
We're happy to announce a long-term partnership with Motorola. We're collaborating on future devices meeting our privacy and security standards with official GrapheneOS support. https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/
GrapheneOS Mastodon (grapheneos.social)
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@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven We have a partnership with Motorola where we're working with them on their next generation flagships meeting all of our update and security feature requirements. Those devices will provide official support for using GrapheneOS. Motorola is actively working on providing all the required updates and features along with porting GrapheneOS to the devices. This is a large amount of work, not a quick process.
GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)
We're happy to announce a long-term partnership with Motorola. We're collaborating on future devices meeting our privacy and security standards with official GrapheneOS support. https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/
GrapheneOS Mastodon (grapheneos.social)
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven We plan to add support for each subsequent generation and we also plan to expand beyond the flagships as the updates and security features we require trickle down to more of their devices. We want to at least have both a set of different types of flagships and a set of more affordable budget devices still providing long updates and important security protections. It will take longer for lower end devices to meet the requirements.
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@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven We plan to add support for each subsequent generation and we also plan to expand beyond the flagships as the updates and security features we require trickle down to more of their devices. We want to at least have both a set of different types of flagships and a set of more affordable budget devices still providing long updates and important security protections. It will take longer for lower end devices to meet the requirements.
@GrapheneOS @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven It seems to me like if your usage model is just, "I need an old cheap phone to do some basic stuff and I'm not in a high-security-needs situation", LineageOS is right there. If you have reason to be more paranoid (and these days, whooo boy don't we all), GrapheneOS is holding the bar higher.
Works for me. Sometimes you just need the old garbage phone to function enough to be an offline alarm clock, and sometimes you need to make sure your data isn't stolen by fascist cyberwarfare psychos.
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You will need a Google pixel phone, for Graphene OS.
High end Android phones are out of my reach. I spend money on cycling parts
Any phone above 200 USD is out of reach of most people where the salaries are 50 USD or less.
Pixel phones are 700 USD or more
The Motorola phones which will work with Graphene OS have not even been put into production yet
The Android division of Google needs to be split up into parts like the Bell phone company for this treason
#GrapheneOS #google #Android #treason #programming #Age #Verification
the pixel 3XL is dirt cheap and is a great device. you can even put postmarketos on it wich is better freedom wise. also. idk what part of the world you live in but my 8a was like 300USD buyed on chicago. on europe they are like 400-500
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the pixel 3XL is dirt cheap and is a great device. you can even put postmarketos on it wich is better freedom wise. also. idk what part of the world you live in but my 8a was like 300USD buyed on chicago. on europe they are like 400-500
@purplekairi1312 @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven Pixel 3 XL is now an insecure, end-of-life device and shouldn't be used anymore. Using a mainline kernel and drivers doesn't address this since it still won't have crucial firmware updates. It has numerous unpatched remote code execution vulnerabilities in firmware including for the GPU, cellular, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and NFC.
postmarketOS has drastically less privacy and security which seems to be what you mean by 'better freedom wise'.
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@purplekairi1312 @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven Pixel 3 XL is now an insecure, end-of-life device and shouldn't be used anymore. Using a mainline kernel and drivers doesn't address this since it still won't have crucial firmware updates. It has numerous unpatched remote code execution vulnerabilities in firmware including for the GPU, cellular, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and NFC.
postmarketOS has drastically less privacy and security which seems to be what you mean by 'better freedom wise'.
thats right. more security and or privacy conflicts with freedom
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thats right. more security and or privacy conflicts with freedom
@purplekairi1312 @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven That doesn't make much sense. Privacy and security are important for protecting freedom. Choosing to use an OS with a stronger privacy and security model where apps run in a mandatory app sandbox reduces the freedom of apps, not the user. The user has a choice to use another OS without those restrictions which is what provides them freedom. Their choice to use GrapheneOS isn't a limitation on their freedom, that's not how it works.
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@purplekairi1312 @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven That doesn't make much sense. Privacy and security are important for protecting freedom. Choosing to use an OS with a stronger privacy and security model where apps run in a mandatory app sandbox reduces the freedom of apps, not the user. The user has a choice to use another OS without those restrictions which is what provides them freedom. Their choice to use GrapheneOS isn't a limitation on their freedom, that's not how it works.
@purplekairi1312 @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven People choosing to use GrapheneOS aren't giving up their freedom but rather exercising it. The the ability to unlock the device and install another OS is what provides freedom over the software on the device. A choice to use an OS with strong privacy and security model where unsandboxed apps and a root shell don't fit into it isn't a loss of freedom. A stock Pixel OS user has the same freedom to replace/modify the software too.
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@GrapheneOS @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven It seems to me like if your usage model is just, "I need an old cheap phone to do some basic stuff and I'm not in a high-security-needs situation", LineageOS is right there. If you have reason to be more paranoid (and these days, whooo boy don't we all), GrapheneOS is holding the bar higher.
Works for me. Sometimes you just need the old garbage phone to function enough to be an offline alarm clock, and sometimes you need to make sure your data isn't stolen by fascist cyberwarfare psychos.
@joshg @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven Using a device without basic privacy and security updates is a serious problem for most people even if they don't realize it. LineageOS doesn't provide crucial privacy and security patches for the firmware, kernel, drivers and HALs for an end-of-life device. It's still going to be unsafe to use due to having many severe known vulnerabilities unpatched including ones with publicly available exploit code. It's worse than you think.
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@joshg @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven Using a device without basic privacy and security updates is a serious problem for most people even if they don't realize it. LineageOS doesn't provide crucial privacy and security patches for the firmware, kernel, drivers and HALs for an end-of-life device. It's still going to be unsafe to use due to having many severe known vulnerabilities unpatched including ones with publicly available exploit code. It's worse than you think.
@joshg @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven Not receiving updates to the firmware, Linux kernel, drivers and HALs is a big deal and you're not getting those with what you're describing. The comparison is between poor privacy and atrocious security due to lack of standard patches and protections vs. a far more reasonable level of privacy and security with GrapheneOS. GrapheneOS is drastically more private and secure but you're setting a very low bar for the comparison.
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@joshg @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven Not receiving updates to the firmware, Linux kernel, drivers and HALs is a big deal and you're not getting those with what you're describing. The comparison is between poor privacy and atrocious security due to lack of standard patches and protections vs. a far more reasonable level of privacy and security with GrapheneOS. GrapheneOS is drastically more private and secure but you're setting a very low bar for the comparison.
@joshg @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven AOSP is far more private and secure than most Android operating systems. GrapheneOS is far more private and secure than AOSP.
However, GrapheneOS still has a long way to go to provide what should be standard privacy and security for anyone's personal computing device. Computer privacy and security is nowhere close to good enough for regular people even with GrapheneOS or iOS. It should be far better and it does matter to people.
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@fishidwardrobe Yes, it does. That was my point.
@lproven the post says there's no way to opt out. the web page says there might be.
i'm free to point that out for those that don't want to click on the link. actually, i'm free to point that out, regardless?
unless you're actually disagreeing with me, i'm not sure you *have* a point.
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Your phone is about to stop being yours.
Keep Android Open
Your phone is about to stop being yours. In September 2026, Google will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with them.
(keepandroidopen.org)
125 days until lockdown
Starting September 2026, a silent update, nonconsensually pushed by Google, will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with Google, signed their contract, paid up, and handed over government ID.
Every app and every device, worldwide, with no opt-out.
@lproven Does this change reach also into the clones/forks that exist?
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@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven We have a partnership with Motorola where we're working with them on their next generation flagships meeting all of our update and security feature requirements. Those devices will provide official support for using GrapheneOS. Motorola is actively working on providing all the required updates and features along with porting GrapheneOS to the devices. This is a large amount of work, not a quick process.
GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)
We're happy to announce a long-term partnership with Motorola. We're collaborating on future devices meeting our privacy and security standards with official GrapheneOS support. https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/
GrapheneOS Mastodon (grapheneos.social)
@GrapheneOS @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven
How about picking a mid-level phone as well as a flagship to port to? Not all of us privacy and security wonks can afford a four-figure phone...
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@ottercynical @lopta @lproven WITH the apps one need?**
** When I say need, I'm talking about things like the Android apps that talk to the glucose monitoring system and similar.
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@GrapheneOS @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven
How about picking a mid-level phone as well as a flagship to port to? Not all of us privacy and security wonks can afford a four-figure phone...
@stonebear2 @GrapheneOS @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven
mid level would really take off, if people had the choice between google or open source
