For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me.
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@darth Maybe it‘s worth adding that you mean „Desktop“ (or Laptop) when you‘re talking about „daily driver“.
I might be weird, but my „daily driving“ in OS terms involves a lot more than my Desktop OS. There‘s my FreeBSD router and my home server doing a lot of the important parts enabling my „daily driving“.
That‘s just at home, not counting (my own hardware) in datacenters.
1/2@darth When all I needed was a terminal and a basic browser I also had FreeBSD running on my desktop since FreeBSD 1.1-RELEASE. As my needs grew, I started playing w/ MacOS 10.2 and made it my primary desktop around 10.3. I would prefer FreeBSD or any BSD, but that‘s not possible and probably won‘t for a while. Util that changes, I‘m on MacOS as it has enough BSD‘isms under the hood in terminal I when I can‘t run an actual BSD to do *nix stuff. That helps me stay (somewhat) somewhat sane.
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@darth using FreeBSD on servers since about 2000, daily driving it on laptop and desktop since about 2017
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@darth@silversword.online My main workstation OS is MacOS. I don't see any other OS substituting my Logic Pro X setup.
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@darth That's exactly right—I switched to #DragonFlyBSD as my main OS as soon as Linux started stinking up with systemd. Now I'm using #FreeBSD
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@darth@silversword.online I'm been using FreeBSD for my home lab and OpenBSD on my laptop for years now.
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@darth@silversword.online The only preference I have is tokens/s and it must be on FreeBSD.
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@glassblowerscat @darth only technically. It's also a giant mess.
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@glassblowerscat @darth only technically. It's also a giant mess.
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@darth Ayer instale freeBSD 15 en mi equipo de escritorio con XFCE, y estoy encantado por como ha mejorado el sistema, todo lo ha reconocido y funciona de maravilla, solo me falta montar una Unidad SSD en UFS para mis archivos e instalar las aplicaciones de uso diario, y por último probar suerte si puedo instalar mis juegos de GOG.
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Its very far removed from being a "BSD". Yes it shares some common history, components, and libraries. It doesn't feel as cohesive or friendly as any of the other BSD's.
I've had a macbook with OSX/etc since ~2001 and at first they definitely filled the niche that Linux didn't which was a nice UNIX'y laptop with working hibernate, wireless, and cd writing capabilities. Its gone downhill over the years with constant changes in look, feel, and underlying system. It doesn't feel like "its gotten more polished over time". Every release feels disjointed.
As far as certification goes..
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Its very far removed from being a "BSD". Yes it shares some common history, components, and libraries. It doesn't feel as cohesive or friendly as any of the other BSD's.
I've had a macbook with OSX/etc since ~2001 and at first they definitely filled the niche that Linux didn't which was a nice UNIX'y laptop with working hibernate, wireless, and cd writing capabilities. Its gone downhill over the years with constant changes in look, feel, and underlying system. It doesn't feel like "its gotten more polished over time". Every release feels disjointed.
As far as certification goes..
@miah I’ve used Macs since high school, often exclusively. I love the Mac. But it is also true that the design and usability has gone downhill.
This “UNIX certification is a lie” post has real No True Scotsman toxic Linux culture vibes to me, but it is also true that MacOS today is a far cry from the much more UNIX-y OS 10.1 days. I think the conclusion is probably correct: MacOS is still UNIX certified because someone somewhere in the company still cares, even if no one else does.
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@miah I’ve used Macs since high school, often exclusively. I love the Mac. But it is also true that the design and usability has gone downhill.
This “UNIX certification is a lie” post has real No True Scotsman toxic Linux culture vibes to me, but it is also true that MacOS today is a far cry from the much more UNIX-y OS 10.1 days. I think the conclusion is probably correct: MacOS is still UNIX certified because someone somewhere in the company still cares, even if no one else does.
@glassblowerscat @darth Ya I'd agree with that assessment.
I wouldn't say I love the mac these days. It feels very locked in and not very 'hacker friendly'. I _rarely_ modify / manage macos via some cli interfaces / etc files etc. Its possible I could do this, but the way the system is designed it doesn't feel like "the way". It just doesn't feel like its "for me" in any way these days, other than "I can create a terminal window and launch ssh to the system I actually do development on".
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I personally don't believe that Linux will be a safe alternative in the near future at the rate the community has been getting politicized. *BSD has and likely will be a fallback for me in the worst case scenario.
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@darth From the way you have phrased this, I take it you are truly bothered that someone could hypothetically use BSD on 1,000 servers but are hypocrites for not using BSD on the system they manage them from?
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