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Other than centuries of repugnant colonialism?

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    Other than centuries of repugnant colonialism? They also killed more than 100 000 people in Indonesia AFTER World War 2.

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      Other than centuries of repugnant colonialism? They also killed more than 100 000 people in Indonesia AFTER World War 2.

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      Dutch troops, judges and politicians collectively condoned and concealed the systematic use of extreme violence during the Indonesian War of Independence. Historians have now shown how this could happen. ‘It was scandal management rather than prevention,’ says Leiden historian and research leader Gert…

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      @skinnylatte ‘deteriorate after independence’ is such an odd framing. One might think that wanting independence was a sign that the relationship had already ‘deteriorated’ (if it had ever been good, which is also a weird assumption to make about a colonial relationship).

      Nobody asks why the relationship between the US and Britain deteriorated *after* the declaration of independence.

      (Or perhaps the assumption is that the Netherlands granted independence to its colonies out of sheer progressive enlightenment?)

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        Other than centuries of repugnant colonialism? They also killed more than 100 000 people in Indonesia AFTER World War 2.

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        How the Netherlands systematically used extreme violence in Indonesia and concealed this afterwards

        Dutch troops, judges and politicians collectively condoned and concealed the systematic use of extreme violence during the Indonesian War of Independence. Historians have now shown how this could happen. ‘It was scandal management rather than prevention,’ says Leiden historian and research leader Gert…

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        Interesting resources on this era of Indonesia

        In Dutch:

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        Over de grens

        English edition: Beyond the Pale Op 17 augustus 1945, twee dagen na de Japanse capitulatie, verklaarde Indonesië zich onafhankelijk. Nederland erkende dit niet en trachtte met geweld zelf de regie te voeren over het onvermijdelijke proces van dekolonisatie. Dit leidde tot vier jaren van moeizame onderhandelingen en bittere oorlogvoering. In 2005 verklaarde de Nederlandse regering dat Nederland die oorlog niet had moeten voeren. Over het geweld dat de Nederlandse militairen tijdens deze oorlog hadden toegepast, staat echter nog altijd het regeringsstandpunt uit 1969 overeind: er waren wel ‘excessen’, maar de krijgsmacht had zich in de regel ‘correct’ gedragen. Naarmate de aanwijzingen van extreem Nederlands geweld zich opstapelden, bleek dit officiële standpunt steeds moeilijker vol te houden. De Nederlandse regering besloot daarom in 2016 tot financiering van een groot onderzoeksprogramma. De belangrijkste conclusies daarvan zijn in dit boek te vinden. De auteurs maken aannemelijk dat de Nederlandse krijgsmacht op structurele basis extreem geweld toepaste en dat dit toen en ook lang daarna op allerlei manieren werd toegedekt. Dit alles past slecht bij een rooskleurig nationaal zelfbeeld – zoals eigenlijk de hele koloniale geschiedenis met dat zelfbeeld schuurt. Bekijk de trailer voor de hele reeks via YouTube.

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        Podcast: de bloedige dekolonisatie van Indonesië - Universiteit Leiden

        Precies 75 jaar geleden verkreeg Indonesië zijn onafhankelijkheid, maar dat ging gepaard met veel geweld. Zowel onafhankelijkheidsstrijders als Nederlandse soldaten begingen behoorlijk wat oorlogsmisdaden. In de UBLpodcast vertelt hoogleraar Gert Oostindie aan de hand van propagandaposters en fotoboeken…

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        In English: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2012.719362

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