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  3. today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

    today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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    @whitequark afaik this process also involves very carefully grinding the back side of silicon wafers (the side which doesn't have the transistors) in order to make all the dies as thin as possible

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    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

      if you think that the precariously balanced tower of flash above is an inaccurate representation of what's going on, i can reassure you that
      (a) this is exactly how it looks like, and
      (b) SK Hynix is up to 24 layers already (not sure in what application)

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      @whitequark@social.treehouse.systems the fact i can go to tesco and purchase this marvel of engineering will never not be extremely funny to me

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      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

        if you think that the precariously balanced tower of flash above is an inaccurate representation of what's going on, i can reassure you that
        (a) this is exactly how it looks like, and
        (b) SK Hynix is up to 24 layers already (not sure in what application)

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        Semiconductor Back-end Process 4: Packages, Part 2

        This article will explore packaging technologies that combine multiple packages and components within a single product.

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        SK hynix Newsroom - (news.skhynix.com)

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        @whitequark fascinating to see microscope images of die stacks

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        • amy@sk.girlthi.ngA amy@sk.girlthi.ng

          @whitequark@social.treehouse.systems the fact i can go to tesco and purchase this marvel of engineering will never not be extremely funny to me

          jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          @amy @whitequark At some point I bought a 1TB microSD card and completely forgot about it – until I found it a few days ago under the junk on my desk.

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          • jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ jernej__s@infosec.exchange

            @amy @whitequark At some point I bought a 1TB microSD card and completely forgot about it – until I found it a few days ago under the junk on my desk.

            whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
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            @jernej__s @amy I had the same experience (I plugged it into my Steam Deck)

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            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

              @jernej__s @amy I had the same experience (I plugged it into my Steam Deck)

              jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              @whitequark @amy Hey, I just found another 1TB microSD card I forgot about!

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              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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                cm@chaos.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                @whitequark and all that just to create a storage format that's too small for human hands to handle.

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                • cm@chaos.socialC cm@chaos.social

                  @whitequark and all that just to create a storage format that's too small for human hands to handle.

                  whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @cm shhhhh... if you say that too loudly they'll make a nanoSD card

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                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                    @cm shhhhh... if you say that too loudly they'll make a nanoSD card

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                    @whitequark /me deletes previous toot

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                    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                      if you think that the precariously balanced tower of flash above is an inaccurate representation of what's going on, i can reassure you that
                      (a) this is exactly how it looks like, and
                      (b) SK Hynix is up to 24 layers already (not sure in what application)

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                      Semiconductor Back-end Process 4: Packages, Part 2

                      This article will explore packaging technologies that combine multiple packages and components within a single product.

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                      SK hynix Newsroom - (news.skhynix.com)

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                      @whitequark
                      When are people going to be buying old cards on eBay to scavenge the gold wire?

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                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                        today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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                        @whitequark .7mm ea * 16 = 11.6mm thick not inc. substrate........ thats a beefy card.?

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                        • ruenahcmohr@infosec.exchangeR ruenahcmohr@infosec.exchange

                          @whitequark .7mm ea * 16 = 11.6mm thick not inc. substrate........ thats a beefy card.?

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                          @whitequark oh wait, yea, its too early for me to be making social media posts, going to go get coffee. bbl.

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                          • realgene@hachyderm.ioR realgene@hachyderm.io

                            @whitequark
                            When are people going to be buying old cards on eBay to scavenge the gold wire?

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                            @RealGene they do buy ewaste for this already

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                            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                              @RealGene they do buy ewaste for this already

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                              @whitequark
                              Yup. I made a few bucks selling obsolete chips that happened to have gold plated caps…

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                              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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                                @whitequark is this what the Tower of Babel looked like before it fell

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                                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                  @RealGene they do buy ewaste for this already

                                  azonenberg@ioc.exchangeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @whitequark @RealGene although almost anything made in the last 10ish years is copper bonded now

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                                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                    today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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                                    @whitequark @joe foolish rocks, you will do our microscopic bidding!

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                                    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                      today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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                                      @whitequark Is this "3D NAND" and similar? I always wondered how they achieved the stacking!

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                                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                        if you think that the precariously balanced tower of flash above is an inaccurate representation of what's going on, i can reassure you that
                                        (a) this is exactly how it looks like, and
                                        (b) SK Hynix is up to 24 layers already (not sure in what application)

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        Semiconductor Back-end Process 4: Packages, Part 2

                                        This article will explore packaging technologies that combine multiple packages and components within a single product.

                                        favicon

                                        SK hynix Newsroom - (news.skhynix.com)

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                                        @whitequark also each flash die has several hundred layers of stacked bit cells

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                                        • azonenberg@ioc.exchangeA azonenberg@ioc.exchange

                                          @whitequark also each flash die has several hundred layers of stacked bit cells

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                                          @azonenberg yep! Samsung got up to 400 layers last year

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