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  3. today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

    today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

    cm@chaos.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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    @whitequark and all that just to create a storage format that's too small for human hands to handle.

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    • cm@chaos.socialC cm@chaos.social

      @whitequark and all that just to create a storage format that's too small for human hands to handle.

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      @cm shhhhh... if you say that too loudly they'll make a nanoSD card

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      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

        @cm shhhhh... if you say that too loudly they'll make a nanoSD card

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        @whitequark /me deletes previous toot

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        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

          if you think that the precariously balanced tower of flash above is an inaccurate representation of what's going on, i can reassure you that
          (a) this is exactly how it looks like, and
          (b) SK Hynix is up to 24 layers already (not sure in what application)

          Link Preview Image
          Semiconductor Back-end Process 4: Packages, Part 2

          This article will explore packaging technologies that combine multiple packages and components within a single product.

          favicon

          SK hynix Newsroom - (news.skhynix.com)

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          #17

          @whitequark
          When are people going to be buying old cards on eBay to scavenge the gold wire?

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          • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

            today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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            @whitequark .7mm ea * 16 = 11.6mm thick not inc. substrate........ thats a beefy card.?

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            • ruenahcmohr@infosec.exchangeR ruenahcmohr@infosec.exchange

              @whitequark .7mm ea * 16 = 11.6mm thick not inc. substrate........ thats a beefy card.?

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              #19

              @whitequark oh wait, yea, its too early for me to be making social media posts, going to go get coffee. bbl.

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              • realgene@hachyderm.ioR realgene@hachyderm.io

                @whitequark
                When are people going to be buying old cards on eBay to scavenge the gold wire?

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                @RealGene they do buy ewaste for this already

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                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                  @RealGene they do buy ewaste for this already

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                  @whitequark
                  Yup. I made a few bucks selling obsolete chips that happened to have gold plated caps…

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                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                    today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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                    @whitequark is this what the Tower of Babel looked like before it fell

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                    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                      @RealGene they do buy ewaste for this already

                      azonenberg@ioc.exchangeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @whitequark @RealGene although almost anything made in the last 10ish years is copper bonded now

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                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                        today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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                        @whitequark @joe foolish rocks, you will do our microscopic bidding!

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                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                          today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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                          @whitequark Is this "3D NAND" and similar? I always wondered how they achieved the stacking!

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                          • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                            if you think that the precariously balanced tower of flash above is an inaccurate representation of what's going on, i can reassure you that
                            (a) this is exactly how it looks like, and
                            (b) SK Hynix is up to 24 layers already (not sure in what application)

                            Link Preview Image
                            Semiconductor Back-end Process 4: Packages, Part 2

                            This article will explore packaging technologies that combine multiple packages and components within a single product.

                            favicon

                            SK hynix Newsroom - (news.skhynix.com)

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                            @whitequark also each flash die has several hundred layers of stacked bit cells

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                            • azonenberg@ioc.exchangeA azonenberg@ioc.exchange

                              @whitequark also each flash die has several hundred layers of stacked bit cells

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                              @azonenberg yep! Samsung got up to 400 layers last year

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                              • attie@hachyderm.ioA attie@hachyderm.io

                                @whitequark Is this "3D NAND" and similar? I always wondered how they achieved the stacking!

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                                @attie no, 3D NAND is having (up to 400 in recent flash) layers of NAND cells in each die

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                                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                  @azonenberg yep! Samsung got up to 400 layers last year

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                                  @whitequark the last one i threw in the fib was "only" 176 iirc

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                                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                    today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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                                    @whitequark also looking at that diagram it seems like the 16 die stack is actually two 8 die onfi channels on top of each other mirrored with one coming out the left and one out the right

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                                    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                      today I learned that we (as a civilization) now can put 16 silicon flash dice into a single 700µm microSD card on a commercial scale https://www.ose.com.tw/en/ic-services/memory-product-package/microsdsd

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                                      @whitequark now if we'd only build flash for a purpose other than storing content that's been stolen by our AI overlords

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                                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                        @attie no, 3D NAND is having (up to 400 in recent flash) layers of NAND cells in each die

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                                        @whitequark Oh, intriguing - thanks!

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                                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                          @azonenberg yep! Samsung got up to 400 layers last year

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                                          @whitequark @azonenberg No fucking way, how are those even economical to manufacture?

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