Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 06 - 3 Mar - Ravières - Paris - Lille - Orchies - Tournai - Bruxelles Midi - Almere
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@jon
Because of different contingents for the international train probably.@_Hemmschuh But what ticket would I then get? Or would I then get 2 PDFs? One for the international bit, one for the German bit?
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@jon
Trust DB in this case 🥴@_Hemmschuh Yes, sadly. But this is... tricky! There is no error shown!
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Also the other day I found a Germany-France case where SNCF would not give me a tight connection in Strasbourg, but DB would
Now here is a case where SNCF will give me a tight connection in Mannheim, and DB will not
Vive la coopération !
Es lebe die Zusammenarbeit!But back to what I was *trying* to work out, before SNCF Connect's weird takes on German stations confused me...
SNCF *CAN* sell a bunch of connections in Germany again
But it *CANNOT* sell a Paris - Brugge
or Marseille - Genova 
. There it tries to sell me half the journey
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@_Hemmschuh But what ticket would I then get? Or would I then get 2 PDFs? One for the international bit, one for the German bit?
@jon
Just open the conditions, i think SNCF sells you 2 tickets, one for the cooperation train which is a SNCF tarification and one DB ticket -
But back to what I was *trying* to work out, before SNCF Connect's weird takes on German stations confused me...
SNCF *CAN* sell a bunch of connections in Germany again
But it *CANNOT* sell a Paris - Brugge
or Marseille - Genova . There it tries to sell me half the journeyI also really appreciate that - although it cannot sell me a ticket for it - SNCF *can* show me the Bruxelles - Brugge train, but does not know what type of train it is, so just puts EMPTY in the result
Like DB has been able to do this correctly in a web search since I did I first Interrail trip in 2001 (and yes that is not a typo)
SNCF Connect cannot do what DB search has been doing for at least 25 years
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@_Hemmschuh Yes, sadly. But this is... tricky! There is no error shown!
@jon
Yeah the blocked correspondances are not transparently shown sadly... -
@jon
Yeah the blocked correspondances are not transparently shown sadly...@_Hemmschuh we are going to have fun with this in the forthcoming Regulation on ticketing being proposed later this spring by the European Commission.
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@_Hemmschuh we are going to have fun with this in the forthcoming Regulation on ticketing being proposed later this spring by the European Commission.
@jon
The big cheminot privilege: I rarely buy regular tickets 🫣 -
@jon
The big cheminot privilege: I rarely buy regular tickets 🫣@_Hemmschuh The big travel as much as I do: I rarely buy regular tickets (Interrail does very well out of me)
But seriously, you've not forgotten what it's like to be a regular passenger, and that's important.
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I also really appreciate that - although it cannot sell me a ticket for it - SNCF *can* show me the Bruxelles - Brugge train, but does not know what type of train it is, so just puts EMPTY in the result
Like DB has been able to do this correctly in a web search since I did I first Interrail trip in 2001 (and yes that is not a typo)
SNCF Connect cannot do what DB search has been doing for at least 25 years
Right then
Calm and on time TGV to Lille Flandres
Finally getting close to today's target: the border north of Orchies
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I also really appreciate that - although it cannot sell me a ticket for it - SNCF *can* show me the Bruxelles - Brugge train, but does not know what type of train it is, so just puts EMPTY in the result
Like DB has been able to do this correctly in a web search since I did I first Interrail trip in 2001 (and yes that is not a typo)
SNCF Connect cannot do what DB search has been doing for at least 25 years
@jon From the point of view of a web user, saying "NO DETAILS AVAILABLE" would be far better than "EMPTY" since the latter would suggest to me "has no passengers on it".
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@jon From the point of view of a web user, saying "NO DETAILS AVAILABLE" would be far better than "EMPTY" since the latter would suggest to me "has no passengers on it".
@jon …obv a second thought would be "Why are you saying that a train's empty if you're selling tickets for it?" but even as a sometime database person, I wouldn't interpret EMPTY as I'm supposed to here; I'd expect NULL which to me means "someone's not very good at building UIs that talk to not-always-populated databases".
ETA: ah, EMPTY is "it does have a value but it evaluates to a string with no content". (plus the "not very good at building &c. &c.")
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I also really appreciate that - although it cannot sell me a ticket for it - SNCF *can* show me the Bruxelles - Brugge train, but does not know what type of train it is, so just puts EMPTY in the result
Like DB has been able to do this correctly in a web search since I did I first Interrail trip in 2001 (and yes that is not a typo)
SNCF Connect cannot do what DB search has been doing for at least 25 years
@jon Well, it‘s difficult, they just moved from Minitel to www in France!
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Right then
Calm and on time TGV to Lille Flandres
Finally getting close to today's target: the border north of Orchies
There’s a sort of Takt here
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I also really appreciate that - although it cannot sell me a ticket for it - SNCF *can* show me the Bruxelles - Brugge train, but does not know what type of train it is, so just puts EMPTY in the result
Like DB has been able to do this correctly in a web search since I did I first Interrail trip in 2001 (and yes that is not a typo)
SNCF Connect cannot do what DB search has been doing for at least 25 years
@jon So in the SNCF planner there are fully booked trains, and there are empty trains. Makes sense
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There’s a sort of Takt here
And the Ma Gare SNCF App - about the only SNCF app with a passable UX - tells me my next train is on Platform 6
And passengers can share electric plugs
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And the Ma Gare SNCF App - about the only SNCF app with a passable UX - tells me my next train is on Platform 6
And passengers can share electric plugs
#CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 15 of 80
TER 41911
12:05 Lille Flandres - Orchies 12:20
SNCF for TER Hauts de FranceTrain type: Alstom 2N NG EMU, 3 double deck carriages
️ (25kV ac)
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(well designed space)
🦽: (step free)
🛜:
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️: ️
🧳:
(ok for a commuter service)
🧽: (bit worn, but orderly)
Interrail: (accepted)
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#CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 15 of 80
TER 41911
12:05 Lille Flandres - Orchies 12:20
SNCF for TER Hauts de FranceTrain type: Alstom 2N NG EMU, 3 double deck carriages
️ (25kV ac): (well designed space)
🦽: (step free)
🛜:️️: ️
🧳: (ok for a commuter service)
🧽: (bit worn, but orderly)
Interrail: (accepted)TER 41911
12:05 Lille Flandres - Orchies 12:20Distance: 22km
Average speed: 88km/h1 stops:
OrchiesThis train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#12/50.556961/3.159943
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TER 41911
12:05 Lille Flandres - Orchies 12:20Distance: 22km
Average speed: 88km/h1 stops:
OrchiesThis train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#12/50.556961/3.159943
This is the type of #CrossBorderRail that’s great. I’ve never been to Orchies. I’ll likely never go again. But I’m sure I’ll stumble on some interesting things between there and Tournai
