/e/ and Murena have been been promoting their products by misleading people about GrapheneOS for years.
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@GrapheneOS Most other organizations (Wikipedia, Signal..) respond to FUD or backlash by making a blog post. This is then shared by the org a few times on their socials, and community members will of course also use it to counter FUD/backlash in the relevant threads.
@GrapheneOS If you must reply to individual threads yourself, you could probably save lots of time by having an evergreen section on your website dedicated to debunking FUD and just linking to that. There's little point in formulating individual responses on very similar topics repeatedly. Either a person is open to look at new information without prejudice, or they're not.
You have more important work to do.. and you know it
Not trying to be harsh, I want you guys to succeed!
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@GrapheneOS Most other organizations (Wikipedia, Signal..) respond to FUD or backlash by making a blog post. This is then shared by the org a few times on their socials, and community members will of course also use it to counter FUD/backlash in the relevant threads.
@tastyraspberry This is a microblogging platform. These are how we publish this form of content. We post longer form content as long posts on our forum where people can respond on the forum and we cross-post them here. We fully intend to do that as part of addressing this situation too.
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/e/ bundles many privacy invasive apps/services. That includes adding a bunch of Google services not present in AOSP with privileged access. They implement speech-to-text by sending user data to OpenAI without informing users about it. We cannot do that.
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Apple and Google both provide support for offline speech-to-text using local models. Users can configure it to be fully offline. The Murena Voice to Text service in /e/OS sends the user's audio to OpenAI which is hidden away in their terms of service: https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using-open-ai/70509
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Providing users with privacy requires ongoing work to address privacy vulnerabilities. GrapheneOS keeps up with the standard Android privacy patches. We also fix many Android privacy issues ourselves including VPN leaks. We're actively working on fixing remaining VPN issues.
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@GrapheneOS
Look, I am following both. GrapheneOS AND /e/.
I've NEVER read GrapheneOS-bashing logorrhea like yours towards main LineageOS-based ROMs.Really, stop victimising yourself and start acknowledging that every Google-shipped alternative ROM is a step towards better. Let users pick what they want.
You havent read GrapheneOS bashing anyone. Its far easier to make an incorrect claim with the intent to harm than it is to refute it with evidence. Refuting with accurate info inherently needs more words. You have not seen any bashing from GOS, you made that up.
They are victims. Victims of actual crimes and abuse. Many android OSs are massive steps backward and end up hurting the ecosystem. Users are allowed to pick what they want and GrapheneOS never once said they couldnt, but that does not mean users should make uneducated decisions due to scammers taking advantage of them. You are pushing for scams and ignorance.
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Providing users with privacy requires ongoing work to address privacy vulnerabilities. GrapheneOS keeps up with the standard Android privacy patches. We also fix many Android privacy issues ourselves including VPN leaks. We're actively working on fixing remaining VPN issues.
Privacy heavily depends on security. Security vulnerabilities are widely exploited to obtain user data. State actors aren't the only ones exploiting vulnerabilities and it's not at all limited to targeted attacks. Privacy depends on fixing both privacy and security flaws.
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Privacy heavily depends on security. Security vulnerabilities are widely exploited to obtain user data. State actors aren't the only ones exploiting vulnerabilities and it's not at all limited to targeted attacks. Privacy depends on fixing both privacy and security flaws.
Commercially developed exploits are widely deployed against users both online and in the physical world. Broadly using exploits against many people at a protest, crossing a border or visiting a high traffic website is not a small scale targeted attack. This is not going away.
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/e/ and Murena have been been promoting their products by misleading people about GrapheneOS for years. This has turned into an all out war on GrapheneOS by their company and supporters. We began regularly debunking their inaccurate claims and they try to frame it as aggression.
@GrapheneOS I never have been confronted with any of such content. I am not denying or doubting the existence, just sharing the experience I had.
I have once given /e/OS a try in hope, it would be an open-source mobile operating system alternative with high privacy/security means while being compatible with a more-than-average "sustainable" Fairphone (well, is there any truly sustainable phone?).
What drove me away, was the odd built-in VPN and the privacy tracker. In fact, I found the privacy specification with Facebook Lite already then odd.
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@GrapheneOS
As for me, I chose to degoogle my life BUT to a certain extent only. I will not get rid of my Chromecast, neither of my unlimited Google Photos. I know there may be better choices, but these are mine. My LineageOS-based ROM is cool for me. Your ROM may be a better choice, but STOP criticising other ones. This is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.You say that like GOS forces you to degoogle completely, they dont. GOS has a wider range of using google than other OSs do.
GOS never said you werent allowed to mke choices, you completely missed the point. GOS is saying they are being attacked and harmed by other projects.
"Stop criticising other ones", are you serious? Is that really something you thought and then put into text form? First of all, no one is above criticism. That is a disgusting thing to say. Second, GOS is pointing out actual crimes. This isnt criticism, its defense. You are telling a victim to disregard abuse. I cannot fathom how you read all of this and decided GOS was the problem. You seriously need to rethink your choices.
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Commercially developed exploits are widely deployed against users both online and in the physical world. Broadly using exploits against many people at a protest, crossing a border or visiting a high traffic website is not a small scale targeted attack. This is not going away.
/e/ and Murena have repeatedly repeated attacks by authoritarians on privacy technology by claiming without basis that GrapheneOS is mainly useful to criminals and used by criminals. They're claiming it about hardening against vulnerabilities in general:
GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)
Attached: 1 video Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena. Duval and his organizations have consistently taken a stance against protecting users from exploits. In this video, he once again claims protecting against exploits is only useful for pedophiles and spies. Translation to English: > There's the attack surface, on that front we're not security specialists here, so I couldn't answer you precisely, but from the discussions I've had, it seems that everything
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@GrapheneOS I never have been confronted with any of such content. I am not denying or doubting the existence, just sharing the experience I had.
I have once given /e/OS a try in hope, it would be an open-source mobile operating system alternative with high privacy/security means while being compatible with a more-than-average "sustainable" Fairphone (well, is there any truly sustainable phone?).
What drove me away, was the odd built-in VPN and the privacy tracker. In fact, I found the privacy specification with Facebook Lite already then odd.
@raisondetredev We've posted multiple recent threads directly linking to the content. They're heavily engaging in it right now. This thread we've posted is in direct response to escalating attacks from /e/, Murena and their supporters aiming to misrepresent the purpose of GrapheneOS and what ir provides. They also consistently twist us addressing it to correct the misconceptions into us being the aggressors despite them doing it for years prior to us regularly responding and still doing it.
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/e/ and Murena have repeatedly repeated attacks by authoritarians on privacy technology by claiming without basis that GrapheneOS is mainly useful to criminals and used by criminals. They're claiming it about hardening against vulnerabilities in general:
GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)
Attached: 1 video Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena. Duval and his organizations have consistently taken a stance against protecting users from exploits. In this video, he once again claims protecting against exploits is only useful for pedophiles and spies. Translation to English: > There's the attack surface, on that front we're not security specialists here, so I couldn't answer you precisely, but from the discussions I've had, it seems that everything
GrapheneOS Mastodon (grapheneos.social)
These inaccurate talking points used by /e/ and Murena to mislead people about the purpose of GrapheneOS, what it provides and who uses it are heavily propagated by their supporters to harm GrapheneOS in podcasts, blog posts, forums, social media and elsewhere. It's pervasive.
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@GrapheneOS
STOP BASHING OTHER ALTERNATIVE ANDROID ROMS@niavy @GrapheneOS Correcting misinformation and countering defamation is not disparagement.
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These inaccurate talking points used by /e/ and Murena to mislead people about the purpose of GrapheneOS, what it provides and who uses it are heavily propagated by their supporters to harm GrapheneOS in podcasts, blog posts, forums, social media and elsewhere. It's pervasive.
/e/ and Murena are based in France. Recently, France's national law enforcement has been smearing GrapheneOS, Signal and other privacy projects. They've heavily pushed the same false narrative as /e/ and Murena claiming GrapheneOS primarily benefits and is used by criminals.
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/e/ and Murena are based in France. Recently, France's national law enforcement has been smearing GrapheneOS, Signal and other privacy projects. They've heavily pushed the same false narrative as /e/ and Murena claiming GrapheneOS primarily benefits and is used by criminals.
Both state and corporate media in France repeated inaccurate claims from their nationa law enforcement without questioning it. They presented false claims about the features, distribution, marketing and userbase. They conflated it with sketchy products which aren't GrapheneOS.
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@GrapheneOS
Look, I am following both. GrapheneOS AND /e/.
I've NEVER read GrapheneOS-bashing logorrhea like yours towards main LineageOS-based ROMs.Really, stop victimising yourself and start acknowledging that every Google-shipped alternative ROM is a step towards better. Let users pick what they want.
"I've NEVER read GrapheneOS-bashing logorrhea like yours towards main LineageOS-based ROMs."
If the people behind /e/ and Murena and their accomplices stop their defamation and attacks, the “bashing” as you wrote can stop.
"and start acknowledging that every Google-shipped alternative ROM is a step towards better"
/e/OS is a significant step backward compared to AOSP and even LineageOS; it's not an improvement.
"Let users pick what they want."
Being aware of scams helps you make smarter choices. Freedom of choice should not be an excuse for remaining unaware of the pitfalls.
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Both state and corporate media in France repeated inaccurate claims from their nationa law enforcement without questioning it. They presented false claims about the features, distribution, marketing and userbase. They conflated it with sketchy products which aren't GrapheneOS.
/e/ and Murena are aligning themselves with these false narratives about genuine privacy and security projects. Their supporters are also aligning themselves with this. Their concept of privacy is control and surveillance by EU corporations and governments instead of the US.
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/e/ and Murena are aligning themselves with these false narratives about genuine privacy and security projects. Their supporters are also aligning themselves with this. Their concept of privacy is control and surveillance by EU corporations and governments instead of the US.
Podcast Projets Libres heavily promotes /e/ and Murena. They've consistently misrepresented the GrapheneOS project to promote those. Our corrections have consistently been ignored. They recently published an episode heavily pushing many of these false narratives about GrapheneOS.
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