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87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

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  • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK This user is from outside of this forum
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    87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

    As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

    This is all very messed up.

    rasmus91@fosstodon.orgR mrkeen@mastodon.socialM fritzadalis@infosec.exchangeF keyshooter@akko.wtfK raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR 10 Replies Last reply
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    • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

      87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

      As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

      This is all very messed up.

      rasmus91@fosstodon.orgR This user is from outside of this forum
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      @killyourfm There needs to be a rule, that when someone abandons distribution and support of a game title, they are now longer allowed to take legal action or in anyway prohibit, or hinder, others from sharing that game. Futhermore, the moment the decision is made to no longer distribute and support a game, there needs to be a patch made available, that circumvents any DRM.

      killyourfm@layer8.spaceK jdechko@mastodon.socialJ rejzor@mastodon.socialR longobord@infosec.exchangeL chewie@mammut.gogreenit.netC 5 Replies Last reply
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      • rasmus91@fosstodon.orgR rasmus91@fosstodon.org

        @killyourfm There needs to be a rule, that when someone abandons distribution and support of a game title, they are now longer allowed to take legal action or in anyway prohibit, or hinder, others from sharing that game. Futhermore, the moment the decision is made to no longer distribute and support a game, there needs to be a patch made available, that circumvents any DRM.

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        @rasmus91 Unfortunately, the ESA -- the company that represents the video game industry's interests -- are constantly lobbying against anything like this ever happening.

        Oh, and Nintendo unsurprisingly funds a lot of the lobbying against libraries and archives being able to legally distribute games...

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        • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

          @rasmus91 Unfortunately, the ESA -- the company that represents the video game industry's interests -- are constantly lobbying against anything like this ever happening.

          Oh, and Nintendo unsurprisingly funds a lot of the lobbying against libraries and archives being able to legally distribute games...

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          @killyourfm this is a futher reason i don't have any interest in owning anything nintendo. They are just horrible through and through.

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          • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

            87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

            As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

            This is all very messed up.

            mrkeen@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @killyourfm RIP LOTR BFME II ROTWK ⚔️🐎🧙👑

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            • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

              87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

              As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

              This is all very messed up.

              fritzadalis@infosec.exchangeF This user is from outside of this forum
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              @killyourfm @paco
              Video stores used to rent games, is that still allowed? (Not refuting your point.)

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              • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

                87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

                As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

                This is all very messed up.

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                @killyourfm there is no interest in preserving old games for multiple reasons, lots of old libraries and hardware that would require a herculean effort to replicate, and even if it was possible it won't be a 1 to 1, ofc there is a financial incentive in not letting libraries store this pieces of media, I won't deny that
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                • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

                  87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

                  As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

                  This is all very messed up.

                  raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @killyourfm
                  In UK & Ireland Libraries must pay a library licence and a per loan royalty.

                  Neither lending libraries nor commercial video libraries can buy regular retail videos (tape in past nor disc now).

                  So the situation is more complicated than your post suggests.
                  Internet Archive made up their own rules for Open Library and many of their loans of books and downloads of everything violate copyright. IA should have stuck to websites.
                  Gutenberg offers free download of US PD books & magazines.

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                  • fritzadalis@infosec.exchangeF fritzadalis@infosec.exchange

                    @killyourfm @paco
                    Video stores used to rent games, is that still allowed? (Not refuting your point.)

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                    @FritzAdalis @killyourfm @paco for consoles, generally yes, but not for PC since nothing comes on optical media any more and once you've installed it you've functionally got a permanent copy.

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                    • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                      @FritzAdalis @killyourfm @paco for consoles, generally yes, but not for PC since nothing comes on optical media any more and once you've installed it you've functionally got a permanent copy.

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                      @FritzAdalis @killyourfm @paco although when was the last time you saw a video store that was still in business

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                      • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                        @FritzAdalis @killyourfm @paco although when was the last time you saw a video store that was still in business

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                        @gsuberland @killyourfm @paco
                        Fair, I just didn't know if laws had changed.

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                        • fritzadalis@infosec.exchangeF fritzadalis@infosec.exchange

                          @gsuberland @killyourfm @paco
                          Fair, I just didn't know if laws had changed.

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                          @FritzAdalis @killyourfm @paco it's not really a law thing, it's just that PC game distributors don't offer rental terms.

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                          • rasmus91@fosstodon.orgR rasmus91@fosstodon.org

                            @killyourfm There needs to be a rule, that when someone abandons distribution and support of a game title, they are now longer allowed to take legal action or in anyway prohibit, or hinder, others from sharing that game. Futhermore, the moment the decision is made to no longer distribute and support a game, there needs to be a patch made available, that circumvents any DRM.

                            jdechko@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @rasmus91 @killyourfm But we might release it for virtual console someday!
                            <insert sarcastic SpongeBob meme here>

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                            • jdechko@mastodon.socialJ jdechko@mastodon.social

                              @rasmus91 @killyourfm But we might release it for virtual console someday!
                              <insert sarcastic SpongeBob meme here>

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                              @jdechko @killyourfm *lights torches, brandishes pitchfork*

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                              • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

                                87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

                                As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

                                This is all very messed up.

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                                @killyourfm "87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase. "

                                Computer games should be enjoyed as warez with cracktro screens anyway...

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                                • rasmus91@fosstodon.orgR rasmus91@fosstodon.org

                                  @killyourfm There needs to be a rule, that when someone abandons distribution and support of a game title, they are now longer allowed to take legal action or in anyway prohibit, or hinder, others from sharing that game. Futhermore, the moment the decision is made to no longer distribute and support a game, there needs to be a patch made available, that circumvents any DRM.

                                  rejzor@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @rasmus91 @killyourfm I don't understand what loss they are at if someone else makes compatibility patch and offers game for download. You're not selling or distributing it anymore, so what's the issue? Only rule should be it shouldn't be financially motivated with exception of distribution costs and work on the compatibility. Take GOG as example if they take over since it costs to maintain it.

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                                  • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

                                    87% of video games released in the U.S. before 2010 are technically unavailable for legal purchase.

                                    As of 2026, libraries and archives can digitally preserve, but not digitally *share* games, and can provide on-premises access only. Libraries *are* allowed to share books, films, and music both onsite and remotely.

                                    This is all very messed up.

                                    dynamite_ready@mastodon.gamedev.placeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @killyourfm

                                    Also here:
                                    https://mastodon.archive.org/@internetarchive/114466919283908863

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                                    • rejzor@mastodon.socialR rejzor@mastodon.social

                                      @rasmus91 @killyourfm I don't understand what loss they are at if someone else makes compatibility patch and offers game for download. You're not selling or distributing it anymore, so what's the issue? Only rule should be it shouldn't be financially motivated with exception of distribution costs and work on the compatibility. Take GOG as example if they take over since it costs to maintain it.

                                      killyourfm@layer8.spaceK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @rejzor @rasmus91 "BUT MY COPYRIGHTS AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!"

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                                      • keyshooter@akko.wtfK keyshooter@akko.wtf
                                        @killyourfm there is no interest in preserving old games for multiple reasons, lots of old libraries and hardware that would require a herculean effort to replicate, and even if it was possible it won't be a 1 to 1, ofc there is a financial incentive in not letting libraries store this pieces of media, I won't deny that
                                        avirr@sfba.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @keyshooter @killyourfm It’s amazing what emulator hobbyists can do

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                                        • avirr@sfba.socialA avirr@sfba.social

                                          @keyshooter @killyourfm It’s amazing what emulator hobbyists can do

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                                          @avirr @killyourfm always remember to donate to your favorite emulator open source project
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