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Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can.

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  • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

    @dve Ah, the German "yes, but" that always will be among the first five replies to any of my posts πŸ˜‰ Yes, I am sure I will still be right tomorrow. Wanna bet? πŸ˜‰

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    @jwildeboer
    No, because now I saw that urban has admitted his defeat.

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    • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

      Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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      @jwildeboer agree!!! Hopefully a song of more to come!

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      • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

        Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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        @jwildeboer Yes, that’s what I’m hoping for too, and it lets me go to bed a little more at ease tonight.

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        • vosje62@mastodon.nlV vosje62@mastodon.nl

          @jwildeboer I don't know what Vance was thinking, but a foreign power going to tell me how to vote... In a nationalistic country?? πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜…

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          @vosje62 @jwildeboer doesn’t trump send Vance in to take the blame when they already know it’s fucked?

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          • vosje62@mastodon.nlV vosje62@mastodon.nl

            @jwildeboer I don't know what Vance was thinking, but a foreign power going to tell me how to vote... In a nationalistic country?? πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜…

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            @vosje62 @jwildeboer JD’s charisma at work

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            • frantasaur@mastodon.ieF frantasaur@mastodon.ie

              @vosje62 @jwildeboer doesn’t trump send Vance in to take the blame when they already know it’s fucked?

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              @Frantasaur @jwildeboer
              It doesn't matter why. 'Orban was send home the day after his visit'.

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              • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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                @jwildeboer ...and they did it _again_ !! It was #Hungary who in 1989 opened their consulate doors to East Germans wanting to flee the regime, and the Hungarian consulate/embassy let them enter and cross into the west... that underpinned the "tear down that wall" momentum πŸ‘βœŠ #PanEuropean #ironCurtain #freeEurope

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                  @jwildeboer ...and they did it _again_ !! It was #Hungary who in 1989 opened their consulate doors to East Germans wanting to flee the regime, and the Hungarian consulate/embassy let them enter and cross into the west... that underpinned the "tear down that wall" momentum πŸ‘βœŠ #PanEuropean #ironCurtain #freeEurope

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                  @jwildeboer it was a different september eleven but as impactful

                  "Thousands East Germans streamed into #Hungary to take the opportunity, resulting in an exodus that accelerated the collapse of the #BerlinWall on 9 November 1989"

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                  • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                    Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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                    @jwildeboer First points went to Poland, don't forget.

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                    • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                      Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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                      @jwildeboer At the tail end of the last U.S. presidential election, I got desperate emails from the Harris campaign about how they were being outspent in "swing states". Some billionaires who wanted Trump in put up a large chunk of change for those last couple of weeks, and that was used to run lots of attack ads against Harris.

                      That behavior is a risk factor for Europe as well. We tried to fix it, but a U.S. Supreme Court decision declared the campaign-finance law unconstitutional.
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                      • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                        Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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                        @jwildeboer. I'm very happy for all the Hungarian people πŸ‘.

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                        • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

                          @jwildeboer At the tail end of the last U.S. presidential election, I got desperate emails from the Harris campaign about how they were being outspent in "swing states". Some billionaires who wanted Trump in put up a large chunk of change for those last couple of weeks, and that was used to run lots of attack ads against Harris.

                          That behavior is a risk factor for Europe as well. We tried to fix it, but a U.S. Supreme Court decision declared the campaign-finance law unconstitutional.
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                          @bzdev @jwildeboer we have laws in Europe about campaign financing a those needs to be transparent, at least in countries I live(d)

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                          • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

                            @jwildeboer At the tail end of the last U.S. presidential election, I got desperate emails from the Harris campaign about how they were being outspent in "swing states". Some billionaires who wanted Trump in put up a large chunk of change for those last couple of weeks, and that was used to run lots of attack ads against Harris.

                            That behavior is a risk factor for Europe as well. We tried to fix it, but a U.S. Supreme Court decision declared the campaign-finance law unconstitutional.
                            (more)

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                            @jwildeboer We have laws about reporting non-trivial campaign contributions, but it takes time for those reports to be processed, so with a large infusion of cash in the last two weeks or so, nobody really knew where it was coming from. Because most states are "winner takes all" for electoral college votes, that cash was used to target those states where the vote could go either way.

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                              @jwildeboer ...and they did it _again_ !! It was #Hungary who in 1989 opened their consulate doors to East Germans wanting to flee the regime, and the Hungarian consulate/embassy let them enter and cross into the west... that underpinned the "tear down that wall" momentum πŸ‘βœŠ #PanEuropean #ironCurtain #freeEurope

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                              @Irisherself πŸ‘†πŸ‘‡πŸ€ž
                              https://mastodon.social/@MissingThePt/116393730049244006

                              @jwildeboer

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                              • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                                Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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                                @jwildeboer
                                After his effects on the late Pope and now Orban's, re-election, may I suggest that Trump send Vance on a diplomatic mission to Russia's Putin?

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                                • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                                  Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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                                  @jwildeboer I am in the centre of Budapest at 1am - cars with horns blaring, streets packed with very happy (some pretty drunk) people, lot of cheering and flag waving. Not see this since Athens in the early 80s when the left finally won power.

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                                  • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                                    Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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                                    @jwildeboer

                                    reuters.com

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                                    Any entity funded by the fossil fuel industry and its massive system of international public corruption needs to acknowledge the fate that awaits.

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                                    People tire of the high prices & fossil fuel funded fascism.
                                    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

                                    People want cheaper renewable energy, wind & solar.
                                    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-plummeting-cost-of-renewable-energy/

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                                    • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                                      Hungary proves that neither Russia nor Trump can sway votes the way they think they can. Being associated with Trump or Russia is now a bad thing, which is good for democracy in Europe. Thank you, people from Hungary. You might have started something that is bigger than just this election!

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                                      @jwildeboer

                                      Unfortunately, we are ruled by billionaire owned media that will spin reality to align with their owners

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                                        @jwildeboer

                                        Unfortunately, we are ruled by billionaire owned media that will spin reality to align with their owners

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                                        @dianea It seems they have failed tonight in Hungary. Before that they failed in Poland. Maybe they are not that powerful and their influence is cracking? I am always the optimist.

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                                        • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

                                          @jwildeboer We have laws about reporting non-trivial campaign contributions, but it takes time for those reports to be processed, so with a large infusion of cash in the last two weeks or so, nobody really knew where it was coming from. Because most states are "winner takes all" for electoral college votes, that cash was used to target those states where the vote could go either way.

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                                          @bzdev Were I the facetious type, I might say something along the lines of "I guess the people who paid for Citizens United to go their way will have felt they got their money's worth then?"

                                          @jwildeboer

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