Good move.
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@rysiek Sad to see you go. Fwiw, LibreWolf has translation very similar to Firefox's, which most users consider to be AI.
@Firefox for Web Developers Sorry, but i haven't seen any detailed explanation in your update notes, what exactly AI should be good for. Nor did you supply easy ways to just switch it off in the first place. Users have to all communicate existing options between themselves, and in unofficial ways. Just be more transparent on what exactly you need new inventions for. Because users were fine with Firefox at least 10 years ago already. -
@rysiek Sad to see you go. Fwiw, LibreWolf has translation very similar to Firefox's, which most users consider to be AI.
@firefoxwebdevs I assure you I understand this. I am using these translations, and I see them as one of the very few actually useful features of the sort.
But the way everything else related to "AI" is being shoved down users' throats by Mozilla makes me simply not interested in trusting you anymore.
I had moved innumerable people onto Firefox over the years. I was one of the power users that helped make Firefox popular.
And your response to me is, effectively, "sike! LibreWolf also has AI!"?
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/116002119945073671
Good move. But too little too late, I'm already on LibreWolf.
This is the first time I switched to a different browser as my daily driver since I switched to Firefox 1.0. And I did this specifically because all the shady "AI" stuff Mozilla keeps insisting on doing.
In the words of Mozilla's CEO:
> Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/Do not want.
I'm moving (completely) to LibreWolf and Waterfox. As much as I've enjoyed using Firefox this stupidity is now way beyond acceptable stupidity levels
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@Firefox for Web Developers Sorry, but i haven't seen any detailed explanation in your update notes, what exactly AI should be good for. Nor did you supply easy ways to just switch it off in the first place. Users have to all communicate existing options between themselves, and in unofficial ways. Just be more transparent on what exactly you need new inventions for. Because users were fine with Firefox at least 10 years ago already.
@jrp translation is valuable for reading parts of the web that aren't in a language you can understand. Tab group naming means you can select a bunch of tabs and the model tries to come up with a decent name. Generated alt text helps improve the accessibility of PDF documents.
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I'm moving (completely) to LibreWolf and Waterfox. As much as I've enjoyed using Firefox this stupidity is now way beyond acceptable stupidity levels
@simonzerafa @rysiek
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/116002119945073671
Good move. But too little too late, I'm already on LibreWolf.
This is the first time I switched to a different browser as my daily driver since I switched to Firefox 1.0. And I did this specifically because all the shady "AI" stuff Mozilla keeps insisting on doing.
In the words of Mozilla's CEO:
> Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/Do not want.
"Modern AI Browser" - let's just make up more bullshit terms, shall we.
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@jrp translation is valuable for reading parts of the web that aren't in a language you can understand. Tab group naming means you can select a bunch of tabs and the model tries to come up with a decent name. Generated alt text helps improve the accessibility of PDF documents.
@Firefox for Web Developers That seems reasonable, however your update notes upon updating the browser do not visibly - or in an easibly understable way - contain this info, nor do they explain any caveats. So a lot of your - partly former - power users have given up on this. You will need to be more transparent on what these updates actually improve, especially on sensitive issues like AI, privacy etc. -
@Firefox for Web Developers That seems reasonable, however your update notes upon updating the browser do not visibly - or in an easibly understable way - contain this info, nor do they explain any caveats. So a lot of your - partly former - power users have given up on this. You will need to be more transparent on what these updates actually improve, especially on sensitive issues like AI, privacy etc.
@jrp @firefoxwebdevs it's really a simple idea:
Make these features opt-in. If you can't explain them to people convincingly enough for them to enable them, then you have no business in making them opt-out / on-by-default in the first place.
You want to regain trust? That's how you regain trust.
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@jrp @firefoxwebdevs it's really a simple idea:
Make these features opt-in. If you can't explain them to people convincingly enough for them to enable them, then you have no business in making them opt-out / on-by-default in the first place.
You want to regain trust? That's how you regain trust.
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"Modern AI Browser" - let's just make up more bullshit terms, shall we.
@megatronicthronbanks
Awfully Incompetent, easy peasy
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@jrp @firefoxwebdevs it's really a simple idea:
Make these features opt-in. If you can't explain them to people convincingly enough for them to enable them, then you have no business in making them opt-out / on-by-default in the first place.
You want to regain trust? That's how you regain trust.
Yes. This. I switched to LibreWolf very shortly after they started forcing AI garbage on us, and have no interest in coming back unless (ideally) the nonsense goes away entirely or is switched to "opt-in."
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Yes. This. I switched to LibreWolf very shortly after they started forcing AI garbage on us, and have no interest in coming back unless (ideally) the nonsense goes away entirely or is switched to "opt-in."
But let's be real. By leaving as "opt-out" they can claim that users LOVE the new AI and point to how many people are "using" it, because lots of people won't go to the trouble of disabling it.
It's a total circle-jerk, self-justification maneuver.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/116002119945073671
Good move. But too little too late, I'm already on LibreWolf.
This is the first time I switched to a different browser as my daily driver since I switched to Firefox 1.0. And I did this specifically because all the shady "AI" stuff Mozilla keeps insisting on doing.
In the words of Mozilla's CEO:
> Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/Do not want.
@rysiek
Michal, are there Firefox extensions that are compatible with LibreWolf?
For example, I use the tab management app OneTab, and would like to be able to continue using it -- or an alternative -- should I switch to LibreWolf.
I hope you'll be able to tell me that most addons created for Firefox also work in Librewolf, and I'll be off to the races.
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@65_percenter @rysiek
Thank YOU, 65%, you have made my libre day! -
@rysiek
Michal, are there Firefox extensions that are compatible with LibreWolf?
For example, I use the tab management app OneTab, and would like to be able to continue using it -- or an alternative -- should I switch to LibreWolf.
I hope you'll be able to tell me that most addons created for Firefox also work in Librewolf, and I'll be off to the races.
#Browsers #Firefox #LibreWolfProbalby all will work, it's still Firefox. But of course I have not tested every single one of them.
CC: @rysiek@mstdn.social
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/116002119945073671
Good move. But too little too late, I'm already on LibreWolf.
This is the first time I switched to a different browser as my daily driver since I switched to Firefox 1.0. And I did this specifically because all the shady "AI" stuff Mozilla keeps insisting on doing.
In the words of Mozilla's CEO:
> Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/Do not want.
@rysiek I don't want AI, all I wanted was FirefoxOS updates
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@rysiek I don't want AI, all I wanted was FirefoxOS updates
@speaktrap @rysiek najlepszy system ever!
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Probalby all will work, it's still Firefox. But of course I have not tested every single one of them.
CC: @rysiek@mstdn.social@andi
Greatly appreciate your response.
Thank YOU, Andi! -
@rysiek
Michal, are there Firefox extensions that are compatible with LibreWolf?
For example, I use the tab management app OneTab, and would like to be able to continue using it -- or an alternative -- should I switch to LibreWolf.
I hope you'll be able to tell me that most addons created for Firefox also work in Librewolf, and I'll be off to the races.
#Browsers #Firefox #LibreWolfMost if not all should work
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Most if not all should work
@sertonix
That's ALL I need to know, Sertonix, thank YOU!
