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  • simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS simonzerafa@infosec.exchange

    @rysiek

    I'm moving (completely) to LibreWolf and Waterfox. As much as I've enjoyed using Firefox this stupidity is now way beyond acceptable stupidity levels 😕

    jbowen@mast.hpc.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @simonzerafa @rysiek
    Same here

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    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

      RE: https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/116002119945073671

      Good move. But too little too late, I'm already on LibreWolf.

      This is the first time I switched to a different browser as my daily driver since I switched to Firefox 1.0. And I did this specifically because all the shady "AI" stuff Mozilla keeps insisting on doing.

      In the words of Mozilla's CEO:
      > Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
      https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/

      Do not want.

      megatronicthronbanks@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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      @rysiek

      "Modern AI Browser" - let's just make up more bullshit terms, shall we.

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      • firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialF firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

        @jrp translation is valuable for reading parts of the web that aren't in a language you can understand. Tab group naming means you can select a bunch of tabs and the model tries to come up with a decent name. Generated alt text helps improve the accessibility of PDF documents.

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        @Firefox for Web Developers That seems reasonable, however your update notes upon updating the browser do not visibly - or in an easibly understable way - contain this info, nor do they explain any caveats. So a lot of your - partly former - power users have given up on this. You will need to be more transparent on what these updates actually improve, especially on sensitive issues like AI, privacy etc.
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        • jrp@hub.kliklak.netJ jrp@hub.kliklak.net
          @Firefox for Web Developers That seems reasonable, however your update notes upon updating the browser do not visibly - or in an easibly understable way - contain this info, nor do they explain any caveats. So a lot of your - partly former - power users have given up on this. You will need to be more transparent on what these updates actually improve, especially on sensitive issues like AI, privacy etc.
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          @jrp @firefoxwebdevs it's really a simple idea:

          Make these features opt-in. If you can't explain them to people convincingly enough for them to enable them, then you have no business in making them opt-out / on-by-default in the first place.

          You want to regain trust? That's how you regain trust.

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          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

            @jrp @firefoxwebdevs it's really a simple idea:

            Make these features opt-in. If you can't explain them to people convincingly enough for them to enable them, then you have no business in making them opt-out / on-by-default in the first place.

            You want to regain trust? That's how you regain trust.

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            @Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 +1 @Firefox for Web Developers
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            • megatronicthronbanks@mastodon.socialM megatronicthronbanks@mastodon.social

              @rysiek

              "Modern AI Browser" - let's just make up more bullshit terms, shall we.

              eldersea@expressional.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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              @megatronicthronbanks
              Awfully Incompetent, easy peasy
              @rysiek

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              • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                @jrp @firefoxwebdevs it's really a simple idea:

                Make these features opt-in. If you can't explain them to people convincingly enough for them to enable them, then you have no business in making them opt-out / on-by-default in the first place.

                You want to regain trust? That's how you regain trust.

                edcates@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                @rysiek @jrp @firefoxwebdevs

                Yes. This. I switched to LibreWolf very shortly after they started forcing AI garbage on us, and have no interest in coming back unless (ideally) the nonsense goes away entirely or is switched to "opt-in."

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                • edcates@mastodon.socialE edcates@mastodon.social

                  @rysiek @jrp @firefoxwebdevs

                  Yes. This. I switched to LibreWolf very shortly after they started forcing AI garbage on us, and have no interest in coming back unless (ideally) the nonsense goes away entirely or is switched to "opt-in."

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                  @rysiek @jrp @firefoxwebdevs

                  But let's be real. By leaving as "opt-out" they can claim that users LOVE the new AI and point to how many people are "using" it, because lots of people won't go to the trouble of disabling it.

                  It's a total circle-jerk, self-justification maneuver.

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                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                    RE: https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/116002119945073671

                    Good move. But too little too late, I'm already on LibreWolf.

                    This is the first time I switched to a different browser as my daily driver since I switched to Firefox 1.0. And I did this specifically because all the shady "AI" stuff Mozilla keeps insisting on doing.

                    In the words of Mozilla's CEO:
                    > Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
                    https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/

                    Do not want.

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                    @rysiek
                    Michal, are there Firefox extensions that are compatible with LibreWolf?
                    For example, I use the tab management app OneTab, and would like to be able to continue using it -- or an alternative -- should I switch to LibreWolf.
                    I hope you'll be able to tell me that most addons created for Firefox also work in Librewolf, and I'll be off to the races.
                    #Browsers #Firefox #LibreWolf

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                      @65_percenter @rysiek
                      Thank YOU, 65%, you have made my libre day!

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                      • guillotine_jones@beige.partyG guillotine_jones@beige.party

                        @rysiek
                        Michal, are there Firefox extensions that are compatible with LibreWolf?
                        For example, I use the tab management app OneTab, and would like to be able to continue using it -- or an alternative -- should I switch to LibreWolf.
                        I hope you'll be able to tell me that most addons created for Firefox also work in Librewolf, and I'll be off to the races.
                        #Browsers #Firefox #LibreWolf

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                        Probalby all will work, it's still Firefox. But of course I have not tested every single one of them.

                        CC: @rysiek@mstdn.social
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                        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                          RE: https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/116002119945073671

                          Good move. But too little too late, I'm already on LibreWolf.

                          This is the first time I switched to a different browser as my daily driver since I switched to Firefox 1.0. And I did this specifically because all the shady "AI" stuff Mozilla keeps insisting on doing.

                          In the words of Mozilla's CEO:
                          > Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
                          https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/

                          Do not want.

                          speaktrap@mastodon.com.plS This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @rysiek I don't want AI, all I wanted was FirefoxOS updates 😞

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                          • speaktrap@mastodon.com.plS speaktrap@mastodon.com.pl

                            @rysiek I don't want AI, all I wanted was FirefoxOS updates 😞

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                            @speaktrap @rysiek najlepszy system ever!

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                            • andi@snac.sonnenmulde.atA andi@snac.sonnenmulde.at
                              Probalby all will work, it's still Firefox. But of course I have not tested every single one of them.

                              CC: @rysiek@mstdn.social
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                              @andi
                              Greatly appreciate your response.
                              Thank YOU, Andi!

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                              • guillotine_jones@beige.partyG guillotine_jones@beige.party

                                @rysiek
                                Michal, are there Firefox extensions that are compatible with LibreWolf?
                                For example, I use the tab management app OneTab, and would like to be able to continue using it -- or an alternative -- should I switch to LibreWolf.
                                I hope you'll be able to tell me that most addons created for Firefox also work in Librewolf, and I'll be off to the races.
                                #Browsers #Firefox #LibreWolf

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                                @Guillotine_Jones @rysiek

                                Most if not all should work

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                                • sertonix@social.treehouse.systemsS sertonix@social.treehouse.systems

                                  @Guillotine_Jones @rysiek

                                  Most if not all should work

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                                  @sertonix
                                  That's ALL I need to know, Sertonix, thank YOU!

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                                    #24

                                    @mkljczk this is an account primarily about web platform features, aimed at developers, so I don't have that explanation to give you.

                                    I haven't _personally_ found the AI sidebar useful, but I don't personally use bookmarks either.

                                    I've played with agentic browsing, but I wouldn't let it run in my main profile until I had more confidence in the security.

                                    Others' mileage may vary etc etc.

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