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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

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  • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

    @grote

    Tbh, considering that border agents also sideload their spyware and then wipe it off when you have to hand them your phone unlocked and they vanish with it for a few minutes this is probably a good thing though.

    Also you've only to go through it once.

    The only question I have is if they'll allow Apps to query this, if they do then that'll be the bigger issue as then almost all anti-cheat, anti-tamper, and "root detection" frameworks will add it instantly...

    li@tech.lgbtL This user is from outside of this forum
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    @agowa338 @grote no because the border agent spyware is "verified" because its from someone whos socially "allowed to" hurt you. and its "for your safety"

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    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

      * enable developer options
      * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
      * restart phone and re-authenticate
      * wait one day doing nothing
      * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
      * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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      #53

      @grote Herding people.

      I want to use my phone and install in it whatever I want. Google has nothing to say about that.

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      • oatrapado@mastodon.socialO oatrapado@mastodon.social

        @grote i want to stop using inoperative systems like android or ios, that's it

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        #54

        @oatrapado @grote Europeans might come to the rescue in the coming years with creations like FairPhone and Jolla Phone. Maybe if the donations start flooding in, Pine64 might be convinced to put more effort into the PinePhone.

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        • computersaysno@digitalcourage.socialC computersaysno@digitalcourage.social

          @grote the argument is nice:

          "57% of surveyed adults experienced a scam in the past year, resulting in a global consumer loss of $442 billion"

          But the real question then is: How much scam and loss is due to malicious side loaded apps?

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          @computersaysno

          Does it matter? This is *my* phone. I shouldn't be punished for other people's irresponsible behavior.

          @grote

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          • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

            Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

            * enable developer options
            * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
            * restart phone and re-authenticate
            * wait one day doing nothing
            * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
            * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

            https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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            #56

            @grote also: developers that have to be verified by Google anyway!

            (The original post is just client side, but Devs also face extra hurdles!)

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            • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

              @agowa338 @grote no because the border agent spyware is "verified" because its from someone whos socially "allowed to" hurt you. and its "for your safety"

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              wrote last edited by
              #57

              @Li @grote

              funnily at the moment it isn't. There have been some leaks as in some instances they "forget" to wipe it after use.

              Edit: But yea, they'd probably get it signed through governmental pressure in the end either way...

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              • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                * enable developer options
                * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                * restart phone and re-authenticate
                * wait one day doing nothing
                * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                @grote Eyep. This is why I'm not going to be carrying an Android anymore.
                If I wanted to be treated like a fucking idiot, I'd call my mother.

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                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                  Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                  * enable developer options
                  * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                  * restart phone and re-authenticate
                  * wait one day doing nothing
                  * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                  * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                  https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                  @grote confirm with biometrics or your device pin

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                  • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

                    @Li @grote

                    funnily at the moment it isn't. There have been some leaks as in some instances they "forget" to wipe it after use.

                    Edit: But yea, they'd probably get it signed through governmental pressure in the end either way...

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                    #60

                    @agowa338 @grote it only isnt becuase they dont need it to be 'verified' at the moment, but google will just verify the 'approved malware' like they always have; this shit is meant to "keep you safe" in the same way border agents "keep you safe"

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                    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                      * enable developer options
                      * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                      * restart phone and re-authenticate
                      * wait one day doing nothing
                      * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                      * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                      @grote how good that more than year ago i installed ubuntu on my phone. lol.

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                      • kepi@mamutovo.czK kepi@mamutovo.cz

                        @grote I suppose you forgot, that you have to do this only during full moon?

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                        @kepi @grote and you must pray mars 3.000 time during those 24 hours without sleep.

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                        • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

                          @agowa338 @grote it only isnt becuase they dont need it to be 'verified' at the moment, but google will just verify the 'approved malware' like they always have; this shit is meant to "keep you safe" in the same way border agents "keep you safe"

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                          @Li @grote

                          You replied to fast. See edit in former post. You're right with that.

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                          • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                            Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                            * enable developer options
                            * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                            * restart phone and re-authenticate
                            * wait one day doing nothing
                            * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                            * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                            https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                            wrote last edited by
                            #64

                            @grote
                            It should just be a toggle in developer options. Anyone who might "accidentally sideload their phone to death" isn't going to know where to look.

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                            • lumi@snug.moeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @lispi314 @grote the most messed up thing is the attitude they have on this. that this big corporation can tell you what to do with your own device

                              it's supposed to be yours. what the actual fuck

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                              • faduda@mastodon.ieF faduda@mastodon.ie

                                @grote confirm with biometrics...?

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                                @faduda @grote
                                Yes, that's what i came to say, that i will not trust Ggl with biometrics.

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                                • fifisch@social.vivaldi.netF fifisch@social.vivaldi.net

                                  @nazokiyoubinbou @grote However scary the whole new Google process is for the non-expert user, installing a new OS on your daily driver phone is a hundred times scarier.

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                                  @FifiSch @nazokiyoubinbou @grote graphene might have a chance with their partnership with motorola, run from start, and people won't even know about thim simply no google by default in it.

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                                  • argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org

                                    @grote

                                    Per the screenshot, biometrics are not necessary. The device PIN will also suffice.

                                    For what it's worth.

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                                    @argv_minus_one @grote

                                    IMHO...for now. The PIN will suffice...for now.

                                    I sincerely believe this is just one step G😈😈gle is taking towards a more "our way or the highway" goal.

                                    Remember, boiling frogs.

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                                    • tezoatlipoca@mas.toT tezoatlipoca@mas.to

                                      @grote

                                      If we DO go through all this bullshit to sideload or get F-droid installed... so now our phone is in developer mode. Are there going to be any authorized Google store apps that detect developer mode and go "nuh-uh"? And if that's the case, and I disable developer mode (presumeably borking our F-droid/sideload apps?), will I have to wait 24 hrs to RE-enable dev mode?

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                                      #69

                                      @tezoatlipoca @grote at that point i'm already surpsised they did not make sideloading a paid feature ...

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                                      • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

                                        @lispi314 @grote the most messed up thing is the attitude they have on this. that this big corporation can tell you what to do with your own device

                                        it's supposed to be yours. what the actual fuck

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                                        You will own nothing....

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                                        • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

                                          @Li @grote

                                          You replied to fast. See edit in former post. You're right with that.

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                                          #71

                                          @agowa338 @grote its the same shit we see with "parental controls" or corporate "device management" software which also are functionally indistinguishable from malware ..

                                          anyway ... sorry

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