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  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

    * enable developer options
    * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
    * restart phone and re-authenticate
    * wait one day doing nothing
    * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
    * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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    #8

    @grote

    The irony of the biometric requirement.

    In many jurisdictions, a PIN is "content of the mind" (legal protection), but your fingerprint is "physical evidence." By forcing biometrics into the sideloading, they are pushing users toward a security method with weaker legal safeguards.

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    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

      * enable developer options
      * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
      * restart phone and re-authenticate
      * wait one day doing nothing
      * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
      * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

      grote@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote last edited by
      #9

      They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:

      lioh@social.anoxinon.deL oatrapado@mastodon.socialO syn@plasmatrap.comS roughnecks@mastodon.socialR 4 Replies Last reply
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      • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

        Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

        * enable developer options
        * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
        * restart phone and re-authenticate
        * wait one day doing nothing
        * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
        * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

        https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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        #10

        @grote

        If we DO go through all this bullshit to sideload or get F-droid installed... so now our phone is in developer mode. Are there going to be any authorized Google store apps that detect developer mode and go "nuh-uh"? And if that's the case, and I disable developer mode (presumeably borking our F-droid/sideload apps?), will I have to wait 24 hrs to RE-enable dev mode?

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        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

          Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

          * enable developer options
          * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
          * restart phone and re-authenticate
          * wait one day doing nothing
          * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
          * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

          https://goo.gle/advance-flow

          nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote last edited by
          #11

          @grote Something tells me LineageOS is about to suddenly get 100x more popular....

          Of course then they'll have to start more obsessively locking down bootloaders and probably even remove the unlock option in anything they can. We've begun an age where even the open devices are now going to soon be closed and locked down.

          And yeah, it's past time for a real OS.

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          • tezoatlipoca@mas.toT tezoatlipoca@mas.to

            @grote

            If we DO go through all this bullshit to sideload or get F-droid installed... so now our phone is in developer mode. Are there going to be any authorized Google store apps that detect developer mode and go "nuh-uh"? And if that's the case, and I disable developer mode (presumeably borking our F-droid/sideload apps?), will I have to wait 24 hrs to RE-enable dev mode?

            nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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            #12

            @tezoatlipoca @grote From the look of what they're saying, yes, if you disable it it would be another 24 hours to reenable.

            I wouldn't put it past them to limit how often or even how many times you can enable it.

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            • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

              @grote

              The irony of the biometric requirement.

              In many jurisdictions, a PIN is "content of the mind" (legal protection), but your fingerprint is "physical evidence." By forcing biometrics into the sideloading, they are pushing users toward a security method with weaker legal safeguards.

              old_angry_queer@girlcock.clubO This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote last edited by
              #13

              @terminaltilt yeah, i don't like that. i don't even give my phone my fingerprints in the first place.

              @grote

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              • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                * enable developer options
                * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                * restart phone and re-authenticate
                * wait one day doing nothing
                * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                lkundrak@metalhead.clubL This user is from outside of this forum
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                #14

                @grote one year later we've updated our policies

                * wait extra day
                * enable accelerometer
                * wank the phone for 10 minutes
                * wait another day

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                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                  Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                  * enable developer options
                  * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                  * restart phone and re-authenticate
                  * wait one day doing nothing
                  * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                  * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                  https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                  wrote last edited by
                  #15

                  @grote the fact that there's a reboot in the chain proves that even Google doesn't believe closing down android keeps users safe

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                  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                    They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:

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                    wrote last edited by
                    #16

                    @grote so is not so bad in the end.

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                    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                      They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:

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                      #17

                      @grote i want to stop using inoperative systems like android or ios, that's it

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                      • nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social

                        @grote Something tells me LineageOS is about to suddenly get 100x more popular....

                        Of course then they'll have to start more obsessively locking down bootloaders and probably even remove the unlock option in anything they can. We've begun an age where even the open devices are now going to soon be closed and locked down.

                        And yeah, it's past time for a real OS.

                        fifisch@social.vivaldi.netF This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #18

                        @nazokiyoubinbou @grote However scary the whole new Google process is for the non-expert user, installing a new OS on your daily driver phone is a hundred times scarier.

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                        • fifisch@social.vivaldi.netF fifisch@social.vivaldi.net

                          @nazokiyoubinbou @grote However scary the whole new Google process is for the non-expert user, installing a new OS on your daily driver phone is a hundred times scarier.

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                          #19

                          @FifiSch @grote I don't really understand that. The instructions are so simple and detailed and the "new OS" is basically exactly the same thing right down to having the same basic startup configuration and etc. The only difference is the Google connections are optional and one can decide for themselves how far they want to go.

                          It's pretty much just tapping a few things, then copying and pasting two lines or so. Once it's booted you wouldn't tell it apart from stock other than its cleanliness. It's easier than installing Linux on a PC and that's actually a lot easier and less scary than people have been convinced.

                          I bet if people didn't let Google, Apple, and etc convince them that they are so scared of installing third party options we never would have reached this point.

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                          • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                            Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                            * enable developer options
                            * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                            * restart phone and re-authenticate
                            * wait one day doing nothing
                            * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                            * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                            https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                            #20

                            @grote ctrl-alt-fsckit, that just put making a de-googled phone way the f*** up there on my priority list.

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                            • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                              Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                              * enable developer options
                              * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                              * restart phone and re-authenticate
                              * wait one day doing nothing
                              * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                              * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                              https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                              wrote last edited by
                              #21

                              @grote

                              I truly honestly thought it was a parody. Unbelieveable! What will happen to #Aurora ?

                              #Fail #LineageOSNow

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                              • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                * enable developer options
                                * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                                * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                * wait one day doing nothing
                                * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                                * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                wrote last edited by
                                #22

                                @grote the argument is nice:

                                "57% of surveyed adults experienced a scam in the past year, resulting in a global consumer loss of $442 billion"

                                But the real question then is: How much scam and loss is due to malicious side loaded apps?

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                                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                  Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                  * enable developer options
                                  * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                                  * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                  * wait one day doing nothing
                                  * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                                  * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                  https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                                  mo@mastodon.mlM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #23

                                  @grote and then

                                  "anonymous statistics shows almost no one using «advanced flow» so we're removing it!"

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                                  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                    * enable developer options
                                    * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                                    * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                    * wait one day doing nothing
                                    * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                                    * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                                    retrosponge@kind.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #24

                                    @grote I will jump through whatever hoops Google fucking ask for out of sheer spite at this point.😡

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                                    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                      * enable developer options
                                      * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                                      * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                      * wait one day doing nothing
                                      * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                                      * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                                      kepi@mamutovo.czK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #25

                                      @grote I suppose you forgot, that you have to do this only during full moon?

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                                      • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                        Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                        * enable developer options
                                        * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                                        * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                        * wait one day doing nothing
                                        * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                                        * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                        https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                                        neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #26

                                        @grote And this is the *starting position*.

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                                        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                          @TimWardCam That's not my main concern, but I think there's exceptions for device management solutions. Also they could just register with Google if needed.

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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #27

                                          @grote @TimWardCam maybe it's time to revive the device owner privileged extension at that point 🤔🙈.

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