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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

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  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

    * enable developer options
    * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
    * restart phone and re-authenticate
    * wait one day doing nothing
    * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
    * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

    lexyeen@plush.cityL This user is from outside of this forum
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    @grote remember, kids: "sideloading" is just "installing software that isn't on the app store." the corpos are just calling it "sideloading" because it sounds shadier.

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    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

      * enable developer options
      * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
      * restart phone and re-authenticate
      * wait one day doing nothing
      * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
      * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

      timwardcam@c.imT This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      @grote But what about companies that develop their own internal apps to interface with their own internal systems to be installed on company-supplied devices?

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      • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

        Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

        * enable developer options
        * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
        * restart phone and re-authenticate
        * wait one day doing nothing
        * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
        * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

        https://goo.gle/advance-flow

        stw@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #4

        @grote I guess anyone willing to jump through all those hoops has already installed Graphene or Lineage or whatever.

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        • timwardcam@c.imT timwardcam@c.im

          @grote But what about companies that develop their own internal apps to interface with their own internal systems to be installed on company-supplied devices?

          grote@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          @TimWardCam That's not my main concern, but I think there's exceptions for device management solutions. Also they could just register with Google if needed.

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          • stw@mastodon.socialS stw@mastodon.social

            @grote I guess anyone willing to jump through all those hoops has already installed Graphene or Lineage or whatever.

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            wrote last edited by
            #6

            *Cries in Redmi phones* (they're not allowing me to unlock the bootloader 💀)

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            • stw@mastodon.socialS stw@mastodon.social

              @grote I guess anyone willing to jump through all those hoops has already installed Graphene or Lineage or whatever.

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              #7

              @stw @grote

              Pretty much yeah, I grabbed a Pixel 10a for graphene and that'll probably be my last one.

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              • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                * enable developer options
                * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                * restart phone and re-authenticate
                * wait one day doing nothing
                * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                #8

                @grote

                The irony of the biometric requirement.

                In many jurisdictions, a PIN is "content of the mind" (legal protection), but your fingerprint is "physical evidence." By forcing biometrics into the sideloading, they are pushing users toward a security method with weaker legal safeguards.

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                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                  Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                  * enable developer options
                  * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                  * restart phone and re-authenticate
                  * wait one day doing nothing
                  * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                  * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                  https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                  grote@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                  wrote last edited by
                  #9

                  They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:

                  lioh@social.anoxinon.deL oatrapado@mastodon.socialO syn@plasmatrap.comS roughnecks@mastodon.socialR 4 Replies Last reply
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                  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                    * enable developer options
                    * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                    * restart phone and re-authenticate
                    * wait one day doing nothing
                    * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                    * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                    #10

                    @grote

                    If we DO go through all this bullshit to sideload or get F-droid installed... so now our phone is in developer mode. Are there going to be any authorized Google store apps that detect developer mode and go "nuh-uh"? And if that's the case, and I disable developer mode (presumeably borking our F-droid/sideload apps?), will I have to wait 24 hrs to RE-enable dev mode?

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                    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                      * enable developer options
                      * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                      * restart phone and re-authenticate
                      * wait one day doing nothing
                      * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                      * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                      nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #11

                      @grote Something tells me LineageOS is about to suddenly get 100x more popular....

                      Of course then they'll have to start more obsessively locking down bootloaders and probably even remove the unlock option in anything they can. We've begun an age where even the open devices are now going to soon be closed and locked down.

                      And yeah, it's past time for a real OS.

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                      • tezoatlipoca@mas.toT tezoatlipoca@mas.to

                        @grote

                        If we DO go through all this bullshit to sideload or get F-droid installed... so now our phone is in developer mode. Are there going to be any authorized Google store apps that detect developer mode and go "nuh-uh"? And if that's the case, and I disable developer mode (presumeably borking our F-droid/sideload apps?), will I have to wait 24 hrs to RE-enable dev mode?

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                        #12

                        @tezoatlipoca @grote From the look of what they're saying, yes, if you disable it it would be another 24 hours to reenable.

                        I wouldn't put it past them to limit how often or even how many times you can enable it.

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                        • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                          @grote

                          The irony of the biometric requirement.

                          In many jurisdictions, a PIN is "content of the mind" (legal protection), but your fingerprint is "physical evidence." By forcing biometrics into the sideloading, they are pushing users toward a security method with weaker legal safeguards.

                          old_angry_queer@girlcock.clubO This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @terminaltilt yeah, i don't like that. i don't even give my phone my fingerprints in the first place.

                          @grote

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                          • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                            Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                            * enable developer options
                            * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                            * restart phone and re-authenticate
                            * wait one day doing nothing
                            * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                            * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                            https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                            @grote one year later we've updated our policies

                            * wait extra day
                            * enable accelerometer
                            * wank the phone for 10 minutes
                            * wait another day

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                            • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                              Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                              * enable developer options
                              * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                              * restart phone and re-authenticate
                              * wait one day doing nothing
                              * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                              * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                              https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                              wrote last edited by
                              #15

                              @grote the fact that there's a reboot in the chain proves that even Google doesn't believe closing down android keeps users safe

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                              • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:

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                                @grote so is not so bad in the end.

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                                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                  They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:

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                                  @grote i want to stop using inoperative systems like android or ios, that's it

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                                  • nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social

                                    @grote Something tells me LineageOS is about to suddenly get 100x more popular....

                                    Of course then they'll have to start more obsessively locking down bootloaders and probably even remove the unlock option in anything they can. We've begun an age where even the open devices are now going to soon be closed and locked down.

                                    And yeah, it's past time for a real OS.

                                    fifisch@social.vivaldi.netF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @nazokiyoubinbou @grote However scary the whole new Google process is for the non-expert user, installing a new OS on your daily driver phone is a hundred times scarier.

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                                    • fifisch@social.vivaldi.netF fifisch@social.vivaldi.net

                                      @nazokiyoubinbou @grote However scary the whole new Google process is for the non-expert user, installing a new OS on your daily driver phone is a hundred times scarier.

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                                      #19

                                      @FifiSch @grote I don't really understand that. The instructions are so simple and detailed and the "new OS" is basically exactly the same thing right down to having the same basic startup configuration and etc. The only difference is the Google connections are optional and one can decide for themselves how far they want to go.

                                      It's pretty much just tapping a few things, then copying and pasting two lines or so. Once it's booted you wouldn't tell it apart from stock other than its cleanliness. It's easier than installing Linux on a PC and that's actually a lot easier and less scary than people have been convinced.

                                      I bet if people didn't let Google, Apple, and etc convince them that they are so scared of installing third party options we never would have reached this point.

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                                      • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                        Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                        * enable developer options
                                        * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                                        * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                        * wait one day doing nothing
                                        * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                                        * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                        https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                        @grote ctrl-alt-fsckit, that just put making a de-googled phone way the f*** up there on my priority list.

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                                        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                          Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                          * enable developer options
                                          * confirm prompt that you are not tricked
                                          * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                          * wait one day doing nothing
                                          * confirm with biometrics or device PIN that you know what you are doing
                                          * enjoy the last the few apps that still have developers that are motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                          https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                          #21

                                          @grote

                                          I truly honestly thought it was a parody. Unbelieveable! What will happen to #Aurora ?

                                          #Fail #LineageOSNow

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