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  • meilin@tech.lgbtM meilin@tech.lgbt

    @mhoye
    Very comparable to SUBLEQ and similar single operation Instruction Sets.

    But in these days of machine learning hallucinations, I am a bit critical until an actual mathematician tells me it's correct...

    Sorry... 😐

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    @MeiLin @mhoye Haha, exactly my reaction. I can't fully believe this until I see a Numberphile (or similar) video about it;)

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    • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

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      @mhoye as someone who has not seen a mathematical calculator in over two decades: what can this do? Simplify CPU to only to one logic gate? I see that Andrzej (hey! Cracow!) talks about neural networks, but this gives even less understanding.

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      • holdenweb@freeradical.zoneH holdenweb@freeradical.zone

        @kboyd @mhoye More trouble, most likely.

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        @holdenweb @mhoye True, true. But what about those minecraft people who build calculators and such - will it vastly simplify their lives?

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        • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

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          @mhoye I expected this to say 1975 or some shit but no it says 2026. Fucking WILD.

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            @mhoye alt-text:

            """
            A single two-input gate suffices for all of Boolean logic in digital hardware. No comparable primitive has been known for continuous mathematics: computing elementary functions such as sin, cos, , and log has always required multiple distinct operations. Here we show that a single binary operator,

            eml⁡(x,y)=exp⁡(x)−ln⁡(y),

            together with the constant 1, generates the standard repertoire of a scientific calculator. This includes constants such as e, π, and i; arithmetic operations including +, −, ×, /, and exponentiation as well as the usual transcendental and algebraic functions. For example, ex=eml⁡(x,1), ln⁡x=eml⁡(1,eml⁡(eml⁡(1,x),1)), and likewise for all other operations. That such an operator exists was not anticipated; I found it [...]
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              @mhoye oh shit

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                @mhoye this paper is a shitpost, right?

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                • psysal@mastodon.socialP psysal@mastodon.social

                  @mhoye I skim read it. I'm not totally sure if the solutions are proven exact from algebraic identitied or what. The prose parts feel like slop-- the author admits to this but... For instance I didn't see any derivation for sin(x).

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                  @PsySal @mhoye From Euler's formula, sin(x) = (exp(ix) - exp(-ix))/2i.

                  So you first find formulas for subtraction, negation, multiplication, division, i, and 2, and then it's easy...

                  I dunno. The paper strikes me as crank. But what do I know.

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                    @mhoye can you please add an alt so we can retoot this mindblowing article? thank you! you can almost copy paste the abstract as the alt.

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                    • meilin@tech.lgbtM meilin@tech.lgbt

                      @mhoye
                      Very comparable to SUBLEQ and similar single operation Instruction Sets.

                      But in these days of machine learning hallucinations, I am a bit critical until an actual mathematician tells me it's correct...

                      Sorry... 😐

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                      @MeiLin @mhoye some of the formulas could be recalculated by hand.

                      eg it's obvious that eml(x,1) is exp(x)

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                      • jorendorff@federate.socialJ jorendorff@federate.social

                        @PsySal @mhoye From Euler's formula, sin(x) = (exp(ix) - exp(-ix))/2i.

                        So you first find formulas for subtraction, negation, multiplication, division, i, and 2, and then it's easy...

                        I dunno. The paper strikes me as crank. But what do I know.

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                        @jorendorff @mhoye ah! I was wondering how you got a cyclic function out of ln and exp. I am not superstrong at math-- I just like it 🙂

                        The core idea does seem pretty cool. The paper is annoyingly wordy in a slop-machine-wrote-this way-- the author discloses as much. Lately I have been thinking about how functions (e.g. sin()) are actually implemented (did some baby level numerical integration stuff lately which made me curius.)

                        Also wonder: is this idea similar to Taylor polynomials?

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                          @mhoye This is way over my head but there was this in my feed related to the link: https://www.stylewarning.com/posts/not-all-elementary/

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