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  • harald_korneliussen@mastodon.partipirate.orgH harald_korneliussen@mastodon.partipirate.org

    @susankayequinn I guess some of it, at a certain time of the day, probably travels through the Strait of Hormuz. But not enough to matter.

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    @Harald_Korneliussen haha true, but the only people who care about the photons traveling through the Strait of Hormuz are the plants/animals/beings in the Strait of Hormuz

    and that's the kind of radical groundedness that can change the world

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    • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

      This is so perfectly put
      @billmckibben.bsky.social

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      @susankayequinn because there is no option other than oil or gas… https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn877d27gndo

      Curiously all those rural homes that are not, and never will be, on the gas network do have electricity.

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        @susankayequinn because there is no option other than oil or gas… https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn877d27gndo

        Curiously all those rural homes that are not, and never will be, on the gas network do have electricity.

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        @Wifiwits @susankayequinn Not mention they have roofs and, in many cases, a spot of land around them that could host a PV panel or 7.

        Imagine the effect turning on the money tap or shaking a few leaves from the magic money tree would have in bringing energy independence to people living in rural areas.

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        • brad@1040ste.netB brad@1040ste.net

          @Wifiwits @susankayequinn Not mention they have roofs and, in many cases, a spot of land around them that could host a PV panel or 7.

          Imagine the effect turning on the money tap or shaking a few leaves from the magic money tree would have in bringing energy independence to people living in rural areas.

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          @susankayequinn @brad I do understand the capital outlay is too much for many, but there are creative ways around that.

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          • wifiwits@infosec.exchangeW wifiwits@infosec.exchange

            @susankayequinn @brad I do understand the capital outlay is too much for many, but there are creative ways around that.

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            @Wifiwits @brad
            the capital outlay is too much solely because we/they don't collectively make the government prioritize it

            Like you wouldn't say the people who live next to the bridge should come up with the capital outlay for the bridge

            somehow the clean energy transition is supposed to be different

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            • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

              @Wifiwits @brad
              the capital outlay is too much solely because we/they don't collectively make the government prioritize it

              Like you wouldn't say the people who live next to the bridge should come up with the capital outlay for the bridge

              somehow the clean energy transition is supposed to be different

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              @susankayequinn @brad woah there communist… where I’m from we only do that collective thing if we’re burning wood pellets imported from irreplaceable Canadian forest… or nuclear.

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              • wifiwits@infosec.exchangeW wifiwits@infosec.exchange

                @susankayequinn @brad woah there communist… where I’m from we only do that collective thing if we’re burning wood pellets imported from irreplaceable Canadian forest… or nuclear.

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                @Wifiwits LOL

                @brad

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                • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                  @Wifiwits LOL

                  @brad

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                  @susankayequinn @brad I also wish there wasn’t quite so much truth in that.

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                  • wifiwits@infosec.exchangeW wifiwits@infosec.exchange

                    @susankayequinn @brad I also wish there wasn’t quite so much truth in that.

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                    @Wifiwits don't get me started about how the only collective thing we do here is use tax money to fund war

                    @brad

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                    • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                      every time I see this graph

                      it reminds me that the status quo thinkers and talkers and powers are an oil slick in our minds

                      telling us things can never change

                      what they really mean: STOP THE CHANGE

                      our answer: no
                      #SolarIsRadical

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                      @susankayequinn I am waiting for it, but someone will point to the destruction of solar panels in last night's U.S. storms as some kind of evidence that they aren't useful. Okay, Brad, but weren't those homes and businesses useful, the ones that also got destroyed?

                      People said the same inane thing after Hurricane Helene, when so many electric cars got inundated with salt water, and some of their batteries caught fire. Uh, I think that flood was destructive to everything, not just electric cars. 🙄

                      It's maddening that people try to make caring about ourselves, our environment, the planet, and each other, is somehow something we don't want.

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                        @susankayequinn I am waiting for it, but someone will point to the destruction of solar panels in last night's U.S. storms as some kind of evidence that they aren't useful. Okay, Brad, but weren't those homes and businesses useful, the ones that also got destroyed?

                        People said the same inane thing after Hurricane Helene, when so many electric cars got inundated with salt water, and some of their batteries caught fire. Uh, I think that flood was destructive to everything, not just electric cars. 🙄

                        It's maddening that people try to make caring about ourselves, our environment, the planet, and each other, is somehow something we don't want.

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                        @kimlockhartga the amount of energy they will put into resisting change rather than embracing it is astonishing and indicative that they really just cannot deal with a changing world.

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                        • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                          @kimlockhartga the amount of energy they will put into resisting change rather than embracing it is astonishing and indicative that they really just cannot deal with a changing world.

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                          All the while marketing *their* new products and technology as good, necessary and, indeed, inevitable.

                          @susankayequinn @kimlockhartga

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                          • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                            every time I see this graph

                            it reminds me that the status quo thinkers and talkers and powers are an oil slick in our minds

                            telling us things can never change

                            what they really mean: STOP THE CHANGE

                            our answer: no
                            #SolarIsRadical

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                            @susankayequinn
                            Yup, however this is installed capacity, i would be more optimistic if it was like that for the tera wathours production, and if the shift to more electric usage was following this. Because if you add clean energy but do not remove shitty sources like coal it has no climate impact mitigation, and this is what we need to survive.

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                            • tykayn@mastodon.cipherbliss.comT tykayn@mastodon.cipherbliss.com

                              @susankayequinn
                              Yup, however this is installed capacity, i would be more optimistic if it was like that for the tera wathours production, and if the shift to more electric usage was following this. Because if you add clean energy but do not remove shitty sources like coal it has no climate impact mitigation, and this is what we need to survive.

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                              @tykayn "no climate impact" is wildly pessimistic and falling prey to the same kind of thinking that led to these predictions.

                              Yes, we need to remove shitty sources like coal (which we are doing at an astonishing rate) but this solar surge also allows better quality of life for people who skip over fossil fuels altogether and go straight to renewables. There are incredible (and a lot of unknown and unknowable) knock on effects.

                              Pessimism is a comfortable place but it doesn't bring change.

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                              • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                                every time I see this graph

                                it reminds me that the status quo thinkers and talkers and powers are an oil slick in our minds

                                telling us things can never change

                                what they really mean: STOP THE CHANGE

                                our answer: no
                                #SolarIsRadical

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                                @susankayequinn it's the opposite of the Itanium Sales Forecasts graph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#Expectations

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                                • hamishb@mstdn.caH hamishb@mstdn.ca

                                  All the while marketing *their* new products and technology as good, necessary and, indeed, inevitable.

                                  @susankayequinn @kimlockhartga

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                                  @hamishb @susankayequinn I've seen people manipulated into believing that access to their own Healthcare is something they shouldn't want, so my faith in people is pretty limited.

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                                  • th@social.v.stT th@social.v.st

                                    @susankayequinn it's the opposite of the Itanium Sales Forecasts graph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#Expectations

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                                    @th huh, almost like the same forces of rapacious consumption are behind both the over/under predictions 🫡

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                                    • kimlockhartga@beige.partyK kimlockhartga@beige.party

                                      @hamishb @susankayequinn I've seen people manipulated into believing that access to their own Healthcare is something they shouldn't want, so my faith in people is pretty limited.

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                                      @kimlockhartga @hamishb
                                      That manipulation is necessary because the *default state* of humans is not actually to hate each other and be destructive. I maintain this is true simply because we couldn't have survived this long if the death-urge were the default mode and not an abberation fostered by the powerful to maintain control. (And that we've survived *despite* that constant effort at manipulation because the rest of our daily practices are much more humane and human).

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                                      • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                                        @kimlockhartga @hamishb
                                        That manipulation is necessary because the *default state* of humans is not actually to hate each other and be destructive. I maintain this is true simply because we couldn't have survived this long if the death-urge were the default mode and not an abberation fostered by the powerful to maintain control. (And that we've survived *despite* that constant effort at manipulation because the rest of our daily practices are much more humane and human).

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                                        @susankayequinn @hamishb excellent analysis.

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                                        • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

                                          every time I see this graph

                                          it reminds me that the status quo thinkers and talkers and powers are an oil slick in our minds

                                          telling us things can never change

                                          what they really mean: STOP THE CHANGE

                                          our answer: no
                                          #SolarIsRadical

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                                          The majority of tropical forest destruction today is due to "bio-energy" corporate needs, transforming public forest land to private non-edible farms for bio-diesel.
                                          Bio-mass is another disaster, there has never been anywhere near enough to be significant raw material, so they engage in deforestation to burn fresh trees. Toxin emissions from such is much worse than the most obsolete oil/coal plant.

                                          @susankayequinn

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