every time I see this graph
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@Wifiwits @susankayequinn Not mention they have roofs and, in many cases, a spot of land around them that could host a PV panel or 7.
Imagine the effect turning on the money tap or shaking a few leaves from the magic money tree would have in bringing energy independence to people living in rural areas.
@susankayequinn @brad I do understand the capital outlay is too much for many, but there are creative ways around that.
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@susankayequinn @brad I do understand the capital outlay is too much for many, but there are creative ways around that.
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@susankayequinn @brad woah there communist… where I’m from we only do that collective thing if we’re burning wood pellets imported from irreplaceable Canadian forest… or nuclear.
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@susankayequinn @brad woah there communist… where I’m from we only do that collective thing if we’re burning wood pellets imported from irreplaceable Canadian forest… or nuclear.
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@susankayequinn @brad I also wish there wasn’t quite so much truth in that.
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@susankayequinn @brad I also wish there wasn’t quite so much truth in that.
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every time I see this graph
it reminds me that the status quo thinkers and talkers and powers are an oil slick in our minds
telling us things can never change
what they really mean: STOP THE CHANGE
our answer: no
#SolarIsRadical@susankayequinn I am waiting for it, but someone will point to the destruction of solar panels in last night's U.S. storms as some kind of evidence that they aren't useful. Okay, Brad, but weren't those homes and businesses useful, the ones that also got destroyed?
People said the same inane thing after Hurricane Helene, when so many electric cars got inundated with salt water, and some of their batteries caught fire. Uh, I think that flood was destructive to everything, not just electric cars.
It's maddening that people try to make caring about ourselves, our environment, the planet, and each other, is somehow something we don't want.
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@susankayequinn I am waiting for it, but someone will point to the destruction of solar panels in last night's U.S. storms as some kind of evidence that they aren't useful. Okay, Brad, but weren't those homes and businesses useful, the ones that also got destroyed?
People said the same inane thing after Hurricane Helene, when so many electric cars got inundated with salt water, and some of their batteries caught fire. Uh, I think that flood was destructive to everything, not just electric cars.
It's maddening that people try to make caring about ourselves, our environment, the planet, and each other, is somehow something we don't want.
@kimlockhartga the amount of energy they will put into resisting change rather than embracing it is astonishing and indicative that they really just cannot deal with a changing world.
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@kimlockhartga the amount of energy they will put into resisting change rather than embracing it is astonishing and indicative that they really just cannot deal with a changing world.
All the while marketing *their* new products and technology as good, necessary and, indeed, inevitable.
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every time I see this graph
it reminds me that the status quo thinkers and talkers and powers are an oil slick in our minds
telling us things can never change
what they really mean: STOP THE CHANGE
our answer: no
#SolarIsRadical@susankayequinn
Yup, however this is installed capacity, i would be more optimistic if it was like that for the tera wathours production, and if the shift to more electric usage was following this. Because if you add clean energy but do not remove shitty sources like coal it has no climate impact mitigation, and this is what we need to survive. -
@susankayequinn
Yup, however this is installed capacity, i would be more optimistic if it was like that for the tera wathours production, and if the shift to more electric usage was following this. Because if you add clean energy but do not remove shitty sources like coal it has no climate impact mitigation, and this is what we need to survive.@tykayn "no climate impact" is wildly pessimistic and falling prey to the same kind of thinking that led to these predictions.
Yes, we need to remove shitty sources like coal (which we are doing at an astonishing rate) but this solar surge also allows better quality of life for people who skip over fossil fuels altogether and go straight to renewables. There are incredible (and a lot of unknown and unknowable) knock on effects.
Pessimism is a comfortable place but it doesn't bring change.
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every time I see this graph
it reminds me that the status quo thinkers and talkers and powers are an oil slick in our minds
telling us things can never change
what they really mean: STOP THE CHANGE
our answer: no
#SolarIsRadical@susankayequinn it's the opposite of the Itanium Sales Forecasts graph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#Expectations
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All the while marketing *their* new products and technology as good, necessary and, indeed, inevitable.
@hamishb @susankayequinn I've seen people manipulated into believing that access to their own Healthcare is something they shouldn't want, so my faith in people is pretty limited.
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@susankayequinn it's the opposite of the Itanium Sales Forecasts graph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#Expectations
@th huh, almost like the same forces of rapacious consumption are behind both the over/under predictions 🫡
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@hamishb @susankayequinn I've seen people manipulated into believing that access to their own Healthcare is something they shouldn't want, so my faith in people is pretty limited.
@kimlockhartga @hamishb
That manipulation is necessary because the *default state* of humans is not actually to hate each other and be destructive. I maintain this is true simply because we couldn't have survived this long if the death-urge were the default mode and not an abberation fostered by the powerful to maintain control. (And that we've survived *despite* that constant effort at manipulation because the rest of our daily practices are much more humane and human). -
@kimlockhartga @hamishb
That manipulation is necessary because the *default state* of humans is not actually to hate each other and be destructive. I maintain this is true simply because we couldn't have survived this long if the death-urge were the default mode and not an abberation fostered by the powerful to maintain control. (And that we've survived *despite* that constant effort at manipulation because the rest of our daily practices are much more humane and human).@susankayequinn @hamishb excellent analysis.
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every time I see this graph
it reminds me that the status quo thinkers and talkers and powers are an oil slick in our minds
telling us things can never change
what they really mean: STOP THE CHANGE
our answer: no
#SolarIsRadicalThe majority of tropical forest destruction today is due to "bio-energy" corporate needs, transforming public forest land to private non-edible farms for bio-diesel.
Bio-mass is another disaster, there has never been anywhere near enough to be significant raw material, so they engage in deforestation to burn fresh trees. Toxin emissions from such is much worse than the most obsolete oil/coal plant. -
@tykayn "no climate impact" is wildly pessimistic and falling prey to the same kind of thinking that led to these predictions.
Yes, we need to remove shitty sources like coal (which we are doing at an astonishing rate) but this solar surge also allows better quality of life for people who skip over fossil fuels altogether and go straight to renewables. There are incredible (and a lot of unknown and unknowable) knock on effects.
Pessimism is a comfortable place but it doesn't bring change.
@susankayequinn
I prefer to say that i pays attention to plain greenwashing instead, i am not a passimistic person and toroughly read on the climate subject (ipcc, iea reports and our world in data sources are great with measures and i often see people amazed by solar stuff not being serious on the measures of impact)Things are done and being changed but not at a satisfying pace.
Low carbon production is becoming more available, it must not make us forget how huge the work is left to be done, how strong we should pressure the politicians to stop being so unknowing the basic things, and there are more than 80% of the things in the world that are still high carbon, plus some facts about how solar punk is known to be more of a marketing movement than a science based view of possibilities.To illustrate that, we have in france a minister who thought we can power easily the needs with people pushing on bikes all day. That would not provide enough for any country.
So yeah.
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@susankayequinn
I prefer to say that i pays attention to plain greenwashing instead, i am not a passimistic person and toroughly read on the climate subject (ipcc, iea reports and our world in data sources are great with measures and i often see people amazed by solar stuff not being serious on the measures of impact)Things are done and being changed but not at a satisfying pace.
Low carbon production is becoming more available, it must not make us forget how huge the work is left to be done, how strong we should pressure the politicians to stop being so unknowing the basic things, and there are more than 80% of the things in the world that are still high carbon, plus some facts about how solar punk is known to be more of a marketing movement than a science based view of possibilities.To illustrate that, we have in france a minister who thought we can power easily the needs with people pushing on bikes all day. That would not provide enough for any country.
So yeah.
But still optimistic if people are able to get some eyes on some science vulgarisation.@tykayn ok, if you're gonna say solarpunk is marketing more than movement, I'm going to say you have no idea what you're talking about.
And literally no one said this one graph on mastodon was the totality of everything that we should do. You're not being serious, just an agitator.
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