does anybody have material on suicide intervention that doesn't include cops?

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

does anybody have material on suicide intervention that doesn't include cops? im mostly looking for resources on how one can learn to assist directly (guides, literature, training, etc) rather than resources to help during crisis; but am open to anything right now

for context i'm in montreal, canada

please #boost etc

[moss@kind.social]

@xyhhx I REALLY wish https://dontcallthepolice.com/ had resources that were not just by large US city , but there might be something there depending on their location

[moss@kind.social]

@xyhhx Some **private** warm lines & text/messaging lines might also have good resources. The US national one will call the cops last I heard. I don’t know for other countries unfortunately.

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

@moss shit they actually have one canadian city, just not mine

[nev@status.nevillepark.ca]

@xyhhx note: Toronto has 211/the TCCS https://www.toronto.ca/community-people/public-safety-alerts/community-safety-wellbeing-programs/toronto-community-crisis-service/tccs-what-we-do/

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

@nev thanks! incidentally so does montreal

[toxophyllum@counterforce.social]

@xyhhx I’m taking a 2-day in-person training on this next month; if they have any decent materials I’ll report back/share.

[nev@status.nevillepark.ca]

@xyhhx from personal experience (being the suicidal person), if it is just extreme, acute ideation/plan-making and not "literally trying to kill oneself at that exact moment", the main benefit of going to an ER seems to be being forced to wait it out in a very boring environment, ideally sans phone, for several hours. This is a huge "your mileage may vary" but simply being in the same space/watching to make sure they don't do anything may be enough and is at least better than nothing.

[laurel@social.lol]

@xyhhx Not sure if you’re already familiar but Mutual Aid Social Therapy? They have a presence on IG which links to a library of zines related to suicide intervention, harm reduction, safety planning, & more. All anti-carceral ♡

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

@nev yeah, we're mostly looking at de-escalation and peer respite tactics for now

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

@laurel oooo do u have a link i can peruse? I'm not on instagram but can still probably scour

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

@toxophyllum amazing thank you!!

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

some links ive collected in this time:
- https://www.tinylantern.net/suicide-intervention-resources
- https://symbio-care.notion.site/Anti-carceral-suicide-resource-list-153b388ef382813d83bbded39976c05c
- https://dontcallthepolice.com

for montreal specifically:
- https://suicide.ca/fr/clavarder-avec-un-intervenant
- https://cpsmontreal.ca/
- https://interligne.co/ (LGBTQIA+ oriented)
- https://resicq.ca/liste-centres-crise/
- https://www.211qc.ca/en/psychosocial-support/helplines-talklines
- https://amiquebec.org/crisis

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

@laurel wait im in their signal chat lol

[nev@status.nevillepark.ca]

@xyhhx realized I should've replied to @moss's post—the website linked doesn't mention those services so is a bit out of date.

Also the Gerstein is great, but there are limited beds and you need a referral: https://gersteincentre.org/our-crisis-services/crisis-beds/

You stay there for a few days, you can come and go as you please except IIRC you are supposed to come back at meal times, there is privacy, there are people to talk to/resources if you want but it's not mandatory. At least that's how it worked many years ago when I stayed there. It is more like "staying at someone else's house for a weekend but you don't have to actually socialize" than an institution.

[kellyromanych@mastodon.social]

@xyhhx this is US based; however it is a coordinated effort from several organizations I & former colleagues worked alongside. Hoping it helps
https://bethe1to.com/bethe1to-steps-evidence/

[ptvirgo@mastodon.social]

@xyhhx sometimes I wonder about similar kinds of training. In this context I'm a little confused about how you're distinguishing direct and crisis intervention?

[xyhhx@438punk.house]

@reiayanami thanks!!