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I've never met a femme-presenting¹ person who didn't have a sexual harassment/assault story.

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  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

    I've never met a femme-presenting¹ person who didn't have a sexual harassment/assault story.

    Most have one from within the past week.

    My most recent harassment was yesterday (but I haven't really left the house yet today, so there's still time).

    My first sexual assault was at ~13².

    ¹ InB4 some guy hops in to remind us all that men get SA'd too
    ² that I remember

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    @alice the first day I went outside femme-presenting 🙃

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    • dee@social.treehouse.systemsD dee@social.treehouse.systems

      @alice I was aged 10... I don't have the words to say on main the severity, the frequency, who was involved. It is nothing short of harrowing.

      I still cry for that 10y old.

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      @dee @alice <sits nearby for company>

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      • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

        @alice from a medical professional. so we had to learn how to navigate that. very annoying.

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        @ireneista @alice I also experienced this.
        /sympathy

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        • matildalove@wetdry.worldM matildalove@wetdry.world

          @alice

          i've only been out for a few years and am largely a shut-in, and as such i have not

          in time i'm sure i will join the gang too :<

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          @matildalove 🫂

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          • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

            @alice sigh, yes, we had ours almost immediately upon transition

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            @ireneista 🫂

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            • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

              @ireneista @alice I also experienced this.
              /sympathy

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              @Willow also /sympathy 🫂

              @ireneista

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              • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                I've never met a femme-presenting¹ person who didn't have a sexual harassment/assault story.

                Most have one from within the past week.

                My most recent harassment was yesterday (but I haven't really left the house yet today, so there's still time).

                My first sexual assault was at ~13².

                ¹ InB4 some guy hops in to remind us all that men get SA'd too
                ² that I remember

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                @alice I’ve come to expect the casual street harassment whenever I’m on foot for an extended period.

                I was harassed by a medical provider at urgent care the first summer after I came out, and assaulted in a club last year.

                I wrote about the latter here: https://chaosfem.tw/@Willow/115032757839470915

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                • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

                  @alice sigh, yes, we had ours almost immediately upon transition

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                  @ireneista @alice

                  It is very bad out there. I taught community self defense classes for years. To many different communities. The stories were/are relentless.

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                  • littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.networkL littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.network

                    @alice the first day I went outside femme-presenting 🙃

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                    @littlefox 🫂

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                    • irene@discuss.systemsI irene@discuss.systems

                      @stephaniepixie @alice I had a woman tell me recently that her parents made her wear a bra at home because her dad is there. HER DAD. 🤯🤯🤯

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                      @irene @stephaniepixie @alice w-what 😰

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                      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                        I've never met a femme-presenting¹ person who didn't have a sexual harassment/assault story.

                        Most have one from within the past week.

                        My most recent harassment was yesterday (but I haven't really left the house yet today, so there's still time).

                        My first sexual assault was at ~13².

                        ¹ InB4 some guy hops in to remind us all that men get SA'd too
                        ² that I remember

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                        @alice I was a teacher. I packed up my stuff after my class. As I was leaving and the next teacher walked in, this lecherous old man (teacher) slapped my ass in front of our teenage students.

                        I turned around and glared at him for like 30 seconds. The kids were dead silent. He looked like he wanted to crawl into a hole. Good. There was no hole to crawl into. You witness the silent manifestation of my rage. With witnesses.

                        I walked out before he moved. Coward.

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                          @alice 🫂

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                          • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                            I've never met a femme-presenting¹ person who didn't have a sexual harassment/assault story.

                            Most have one from within the past week.

                            My most recent harassment was yesterday (but I haven't really left the house yet today, so there's still time).

                            My first sexual assault was at ~13².

                            ¹ InB4 some guy hops in to remind us all that men get SA'd too
                            ² that I remember

                            momo@social.linux.pizzaM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @alice
                            I thought about replying to this one. Telling you that I learned to be different, to be just a chill dude who means no harm to no one and respects others.

                            Fuck this shit, that is the minimum behavior everyone expects. I'm nothing special, I should be nothing special.

                            No, instead I tell you that I raise my sons to be exactly that. To treat girls as equals, to respect their needs, to respect their feelings like everyone elses. It helps that both have AuDHD, they already see the world as a neurotypical, cruel world and themselves as different. And they met enough bullies in elementary school and kindergarden to know how it feels to be on the "other" side. Yes, bullying and sexual assault is not the same, but it takes the same kind of people to do it, the same mindset. Look at your "Grab them by the pussy"-president for an example.

                            My boys won't grow up being bullies. My boys won't raise into sexual predators. And my boys won't accept this behavior around them, their ADHD-caused Robin-Hood-syndrome is way too strong for that, but I make sure anyway. And THIS is what I want to tell you, what is the important reply to your experience. Not "I'm different" but "No more!"

                            Nobody cares about "Not all men", it doesn't solve the problem. But I hope this will.

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                            • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @Tooden I'm really sorry you had to experience that ❤️‍🩹

                              @dee

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                              • mayintoronto@beige.partyM mayintoronto@beige.party

                                @alice I was a teacher. I packed up my stuff after my class. As I was leaving and the next teacher walked in, this lecherous old man (teacher) slapped my ass in front of our teenage students.

                                I turned around and glared at him for like 30 seconds. The kids were dead silent. He looked like he wanted to crawl into a hole. Good. There was no hole to crawl into. You witness the silent manifestation of my rage. With witnesses.

                                I walked out before he moved. Coward.

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                                @mayintoronto @alice I feel that more than qualifies to the level of an HR report. Not acceptable on any level, but in front of kids?!

                                I guess it does depend on your situation, maybe "rocking the boat" could get you in a bad spot, which is a reality in some places, which I hate, but doesn't change the risks.

                                If nothing else I would report it so it's on his record? I dunno.

                                So sorry you had to deal with that. Men need to be better, do better. Good luck.

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                                • xyhhx@438punk.houseX xyhhx@438punk.house

                                  @irene @stephaniepixie @alice w-what 😰

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                                  @xyhhx

                                  That is all kinds if Yikes. But am I surprised? Not at all.

                                  @irene @stephaniepixie @alice

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                                  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                    @dee I'm so sorry that happened to you 🫂

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                                    @alice thank you. I'd like to say time makes for healthier coping methods and being able to forgive. But for me time just made it possible to name my pain and carry it with more familiarity and a little less discomfort.

                                    To those who cross my path I'm the most gentle, kind and generous person, but no one this kind isn't carrying something.

                                    One day, maybe, I'll put what I experienced on main. But this is one thing I cannot share without hurting the person who listens.

                                    😔

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                                      @Tooden @alice same to you. It's hard. Fracturing and dissociating is both a gift and a curse. So much love to you, a survivor 💜

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                                      • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                                        @alice I’ve come to expect the casual street harassment whenever I’m on foot for an extended period.

                                        I was harassed by a medical provider at urgent care the first summer after I came out, and assaulted in a club last year.

                                        I wrote about the latter here: https://chaosfem.tw/@Willow/115032757839470915

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                                        @Willow hug offered.

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                                        • momo@social.linux.pizzaM momo@social.linux.pizza

                                          @alice
                                          I thought about replying to this one. Telling you that I learned to be different, to be just a chill dude who means no harm to no one and respects others.

                                          Fuck this shit, that is the minimum behavior everyone expects. I'm nothing special, I should be nothing special.

                                          No, instead I tell you that I raise my sons to be exactly that. To treat girls as equals, to respect their needs, to respect their feelings like everyone elses. It helps that both have AuDHD, they already see the world as a neurotypical, cruel world and themselves as different. And they met enough bullies in elementary school and kindergarden to know how it feels to be on the "other" side. Yes, bullying and sexual assault is not the same, but it takes the same kind of people to do it, the same mindset. Look at your "Grab them by the pussy"-president for an example.

                                          My boys won't grow up being bullies. My boys won't raise into sexual predators. And my boys won't accept this behavior around them, their ADHD-caused Robin-Hood-syndrome is way too strong for that, but I make sure anyway. And THIS is what I want to tell you, what is the important reply to your experience. Not "I'm different" but "No more!"

                                          Nobody cares about "Not all men", it doesn't solve the problem. But I hope this will.

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                                          @momo This is exactly what we need more of. Thankyou for being part of the solution.
                                          @alice

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