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@KingmaYpe @hadronized @Gina well, if your phone takes 5-10 minutes to lock the location and needs cellular reception or WiFi, because the OS doesn't support actual GPS hardware in your phone, this is not good. And I would argue issues like this can be a dealbreaker for someone who depends on GPS and navigation working flawlessly.

@KingmaYpe @hadronized @Gina please stop with "back in my day" bs. Why do you drive a car? You can just as easly ride a horse. Or walk.

If I have a device capable of pinpointing my exact location in the span of miliseconds, why would I consider waiting 10 minutes for the same thing acceptable?

Riddle me this - you approach an unpredicted event - a roadblock, a divertion, anything. Can you plan for that ahead of time? I'd rather take out my phone and check the route. Not wait 10 minutes for it

@meuwese @hadronized @Gina no, it's the OS. Graphene uses sandboxed Google Play Services, pushes all the communication through their proxy and doesn't have full support for everything yet. The combination of these three factors make apps that depend on Google Play Services to work and behave unpredictably and sometimes just simply break.

@hadronized @Gina exactly that. For basic use, where a phone is a phone and you can get by with very limited selection of apps that don't need Google Play Services, Graphene is super useful and nice. But if the phone is the "command center" of your digital life, and you're pretty much dependent on it working flawlessly, they have a lot more work to do

@hadronized @Gina I had the same dissonance, but ultimately decided it's "lesser evil". I tried GrapheneOS on my Pixel and... Well I would have to give up A LOT of convinience, features and just simply frictionless experience, for very little benefit. My phone is a tool. If I need navigation, I need it now, and can't wait for 5-10 minutes for the weird GOS proxy to catch the encrypted pseudo-gps data. All in all - yes, I don't like using stock Android, but alternatives are not "there" yet for me