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The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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    The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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      The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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      @cstross Brilliant!!!

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        @cstross Brilliant!!!

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        @Remittancegirl The only use of LLMs in my current work-in-progress is this (fictional) translator's note:

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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          @cstross
          Interesting! As a member of the #SocietyOfAuthors, I commend my trade union!

          #BrettScott launched his similar badge — which I include with my online writing — over a year ago with this brilliant essay:
          https://www.asomo.co/p/against-the-factory-farming-of-creativity

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          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

            @Remittancegirl The only use of LLMs in my current work-in-progress is this (fictional) translator's note:

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            @cstross 😂

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              @Remittancegirl The only use of LLMs in my current work-in-progress is this (fictional) translator's note:

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              @cstross @Remittancegirl
              Does the Order of the Yellow Map also publish the Liber Paginarum Fulvarum?

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                @cstross @Remittancegirl
                Does the Order of the Yellow Map also publish the Liber Paginarum Fulvarum?

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                @HighlandLawyer @Remittancegirl No, but … they're not good people. (Think the worst kind of fire'n'brimstone presbyterians, then give them that old time TESCREAL religion and a justified terror of the Basilisk At The End Of Time.)

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                  @cstross so they are going to label works as non ai? Instead if labeling ai works? A rating or badge system? Will it be crowd sourced?

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                    @cstross so they are going to label works as non ai? Instead if labeling ai works? A rating or badge system? Will it be crowd sourced?

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                    @Moonlight_Crazy Don't know, they haven't launched yet. Check the web site.

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                      @HighlandLawyer @Remittancegirl No, but … they're not good people. (Think the worst kind of fire'n'brimstone presbyterians, then give them that old time TESCREAL religion and a justified terror of the Basilisk At The End Of Time.)

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                      @cstross @Remittancegirl
                      The type who live in fear that someone, somewhere, is enjoying themself; and who disapprove of sex because it might lead to dancing.

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                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                        The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                        @cstross This will help AI scrapers (who've never respected licensing terms, terms of service, copyright, etc.) immensely by providing them with an ongoing training data guaranteed to not be AI tainted.Thanks, Society of Authors! Great job.

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                        • highlandlawyer@mastodon.socialH highlandlawyer@mastodon.social

                          @cstross @Remittancegirl
                          The type who live in fear that someone, somewhere, is enjoying themself; and who disapprove of sex because it might lead to dancing.

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                          @HighlandLawyer @Remittancegirl Yes, only even worse. (Am currently writing a sequence in which someone in authority learns that an entire barrier reef of skulls have disappeared from an ossuary world because these ass-hats are trying to bring about the Skullularity.)

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                            @cstross This will help AI scrapers (who've never respected licensing terms, terms of service, copyright, etc.) immensely by providing them with an ongoing training data guaranteed to not be AI tainted.Thanks, Society of Authors! Great job.

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                            @Infoseepage Good point!

                            But it will almost certainly also identify works whose authors are adamantly opposed to the use of LLMs, that are off-limits for training, and where the copyright owners will sue. (If this had existed in 2016 it'd have made the Anthropic AI class action lawsuit an absolute slam-dunk.)

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                            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                              The Society of Authors (UK) is helping launch this: an identifier for human-authored (i.e. non-AI) books: https://humanauthored.co.uk/

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                              @cstross

                              well... we'll see but i fear it will be something else authors are going to be expected to pay for that doesn't really move the needle

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                                @HighlandLawyer @Remittancegirl Yes, only even worse. (Am currently writing a sequence in which someone in authority learns that an entire barrier reef of skulls have disappeared from an ossuary world because these ass-hats are trying to bring about the Skullularity.)

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                                @cstross @Remittancegirl
                                Does the Skullularity create a black hole which removes quantum cranularity, or are they just as thick as two short Plancks?

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                                  @Infoseepage Good point!

                                  But it will almost certainly also identify works whose authors are adamantly opposed to the use of LLMs, that are off-limits for training, and where the copyright owners will sue. (If this had existed in 2016 it'd have made the Anthropic AI class action lawsuit an absolute slam-dunk.)

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                                  @cstross Yeah, I'm not saying that there's no benefit to this, but so far what we've largely seen from western legal system is nothing and that's probably reflective of the political hierarchs coming out firmly in support of AI, money laundering tokens and every other morally reprehensible scheme, so long as they get their cut.

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                                    @cstross Yeah, I'm not saying that there's no benefit to this, but so far what we've largely seen from western legal system is nothing and that's probably reflective of the political hierarchs coming out firmly in support of AI, money laundering tokens and every other morally reprehensible scheme, so long as they get their cut.

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                                    @cstross
                                    To me, the legal cases against llm creative regurgitation engines should already be so strong as to result in these companies flat out being ended by the judgments levied against them, but that's not what we've seen so far. The first time these things started spewing out paragraph after paragraph of Stephen King verbatim on demand, that should have been the end of these companies.

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                                      @cstross
                                      To me, the legal cases against llm creative regurgitation engines should already be so strong as to result in these companies flat out being ended by the judgments levied against them, but that's not what we've seen so far. The first time these things started spewing out paragraph after paragraph of Stephen King verbatim on demand, that should have been the end of these companies.

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                                      @cstross I'm curious if you've ever tried interrogating any of the popular llms to test if they've ingested your works. It seems like you've created enough niche terms, which might not come up in synopsis and reviews that the presence of these terms in llm output might be indicative of ingestion.

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                                      • highlandlawyer@mastodon.socialH highlandlawyer@mastodon.social

                                        @cstross @Remittancegirl
                                        Does the Skullularity create a black hole which removes quantum cranularity, or are they just as thick as two short Plancks?

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                                        @HighlandLawyer 🤣 @cstross @Remittancegirl

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                                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                          @Moonlight_Crazy Don't know, they haven't launched yet. Check the web site.

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                                          RE: https://wandering.shop/@JulietEMcKenna/116204472303378959

                                          @cstross @Moonlight_Crazy there is also this: https://mastodon.social/@JulietEMcKenna@wandering.shop/116204472955758150

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